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Are 3 Armor Classes enough?
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<blockquote data-quote="ElectricDragon" data-source="post: 3691914" data-attributes="member: 10778"><p>Generally, every character sheet has a place for 3 different AC's: normal, touch, and flat-footed. Has anyone else found the need for more?</p><p></p><p>Here are the ones that come up IMC with distressing regularity (including the ones on the character sheet).</p><p></p><p>1. <strong>AC:</strong> armor, deflection, Dexterity, dodge, insight, luck, natural armor, profane, sacred, shield, and size modifiers</p><p>2. <strong>Touch:</strong> no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses</p><p>3. <strong>Flat-footed:</strong> no Dexterity or dodge bonuses (also used for running, climbing, balancing and failed swim checks)</p><p>4. <strong>Flat-footed Touch:</strong> no armor, Dexterity, dodge, natural armor, or shield bonuses</p><p>5. <strong>Incorporeal Touch:</strong> no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses unless [Force] or <em>ghost touch</em></p><p>6. <strong>Flat-footed Incorporeal Touch:</strong> no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses unless [Force] or <em>ghost touch</em>, no Dexterity or dodge bonuses</p><p></p><p></p><p>And this is not mentioning the highly situational AC's/mods that occasionally poke their head out to slow down the game, like:</p><p></p><p>7. Caltrops: no armor, deflection, or shield bonuses (boots, shoes, or other footwear give +2 armor bonus that counts)</p><p>8. Deep Bog, Deep Pool, Waist deep in water: add +4 cover bonus to AC (+8 if Small size or crouch)</p><p>9. Blinded: no Dexterity bonus and -2 penalty</p><p>10. Entangled, Tanglefoot Bag: -4 penalty to Dexterity</p><p>11. Tower Shield: +4 shield bonus or +8 total cover bonus</p><p><em>etc.</em></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'm looking for a character sheet that at least has a place for the first 6 ACs (of course, some of my players are terrible at math and need such help to speed play; and none of them ever remember what doesn't get counted for touch AC much less any of the others).</p><p>Any suggestions?</p><p></p><p>Ciao</p><p>Dave</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ElectricDragon, post: 3691914, member: 10778"] Generally, every character sheet has a place for 3 different AC's: normal, touch, and flat-footed. Has anyone else found the need for more? Here are the ones that come up IMC with distressing regularity (including the ones on the character sheet). 1. [B]AC:[/B] armor, deflection, Dexterity, dodge, insight, luck, natural armor, profane, sacred, shield, and size modifiers 2. [B]Touch:[/B] no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses 3. [B]Flat-footed:[/B] no Dexterity or dodge bonuses (also used for running, climbing, balancing and failed swim checks) 4. [B]Flat-footed Touch:[/B] no armor, Dexterity, dodge, natural armor, or shield bonuses 5. [B]Incorporeal Touch:[/B] no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses unless [Force] or [I]ghost touch[/I] 6. [B]Flat-footed Incorporeal Touch:[/B] no armor, natural armor, or shield bonuses unless [Force] or [I]ghost touch[/I], no Dexterity or dodge bonuses And this is not mentioning the highly situational AC's/mods that occasionally poke their head out to slow down the game, like: 7. Caltrops: no armor, deflection, or shield bonuses (boots, shoes, or other footwear give +2 armor bonus that counts) 8. Deep Bog, Deep Pool, Waist deep in water: add +4 cover bonus to AC (+8 if Small size or crouch) 9. Blinded: no Dexterity bonus and -2 penalty 10. Entangled, Tanglefoot Bag: -4 penalty to Dexterity 11. Tower Shield: +4 shield bonus or +8 total cover bonus [I]etc.[/I] I'm looking for a character sheet that at least has a place for the first 6 ACs (of course, some of my players are terrible at math and need such help to speed play; and none of them ever remember what doesn't get counted for touch AC much less any of the others). Any suggestions? Ciao Dave [/QUOTE]
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