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Message: <blockquote data-quote="MNblockhead" data-source="post: 7852193" data-attributes="member: 6796661">I think that degrees of success and needing multiple saves are underused in the game. Degrees of success--the greater your failure, the more dire the consequences--not only give some variety and flavor, they also make specializing on certain attributes/skills/feats more meaningful.I also think that when exposed to particularly virulent diseases and magical effects, needing to make three saves over a period of time gives the effects more oomph without having to go to save or die.  Perhaps the first save has a very high DC so that unless you have a high attribute or something else that helps, you are very likely to be effected but the subsequent saves can require a lower DC so it doesn't feel like save or suck.  This is used with quite a few spells and some poisons, but the mechanics tend to still be binary. Instead of "you made the save, you are okay", perhaps you made the save and things are better, when you make the next save things are still better, and after you make the third save you are back to normal. Also, degrees of success and multiple saves for progressive improvement need not be used only for magic and poison. You can use it for athletic and dexterity checks. It makes game play more cinematic.  For example, you made your dex save, but just barely...so you are hanging from the edge of the trap. Maybe next round you have to make another save to keep your grip and pull yourself out. You don't want to overdo this or play will grind to a slow slog of d20 rolls. It should be saved for special challenges. I think that that there a many ways we can use the existing mechanic more creatively.</blockquote>

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