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<blockquote data-quote="Green Knight" data-source="post: 250919" data-attributes="member: 2723">This whole discussion reminds me of an article I read a while back where college students said they weren't being taught the difference between right and wrong in college. Rather, they were being taught moral relativism. &quot;Well, if in this culture it's considered ok, then that makes it ok, and who are we to say that this is wrong?&quot;. What a load of crap that is. Just because atrocities are allowed within a culture doesn't make it ok. A culture which condones such actions is itself evil. Whether it be real world or in D&amp;D. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;It wasn't the Turks. Turkey didn't even exist at the time. What DID exist was the Byzantine Empire, a Christian nation under siege from Muslim invaders. &nbsp;And the First Crusade was a defensive war. It wasn't started just because the europeans felt that their way of life was better than the muslims and they were gonna go over there and kill them. The muslims had been invading Christian territory left and right, and the Crusaders were sent to retake some of that lost territory. Yeah, the committed atrocities along the way. But casting the Crusaders as the instigators and the Muslims as the innocent victims of &quot;Imperial/Colonial Aggression&quot; is nothing but a load of crap and a bald-faced lie (Not saying you're a liar. Just that you're repeating a lie). &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;That's because there're some people who like to rewrite history in the name of Political Correctness, casting the Christians as the dastardly villains and the Muslims as the poor innocent and blameless victims. Neither side had clean hands, but the hands of the Muslims were certainly dirtier, as they started the whole thing, and some of the things they did in the territories they conquered puts what the Crusaders did to shame. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If the Muslims had believed in the phrase &quot;Live And Let Live&quot; there never would have been any Crusades to begin with.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Green Knight, post: 250919, member: 2723"] This whole discussion reminds me of an article I read a while back where college students said they weren't being taught the difference between right and wrong in college. Rather, they were being taught moral relativism. "Well, if in this culture it's considered ok, then that makes it ok, and who are we to say that this is wrong?". What a load of crap that is. Just because atrocities are allowed within a culture doesn't make it ok. A culture which condones such actions is itself evil. Whether it be real world or in D&D. It wasn't the Turks. Turkey didn't even exist at the time. What DID exist was the Byzantine Empire, a Christian nation under siege from Muslim invaders. And the First Crusade was a[b] defensive[/b] war. It wasn't started just because the europeans felt that their way of life was better than the muslims and they were gonna go over there and kill them. The muslims had been invading Christian territory left and right, and the Crusaders were sent to retake some of that lost territory. Yeah, the committed atrocities along the way. But casting the Crusaders as the instigators and the Muslims as the innocent victims of "Imperial/Colonial Aggression" is nothing but a load of crap and a bald-faced lie (Not saying you're a liar. Just that you're repeating a lie). That's because there're some people who like to rewrite history in the name of Political Correctness, casting the Christians as the dastardly villains and the Muslims as the poor innocent and blameless victims. Neither side had clean hands, but the hands of the Muslims were certainly dirtier, as they started the whole thing, and some of the things they did in the territories they conquered puts what the Crusaders did to shame. If the Muslims had believed in the phrase "Live And Let Live" there never would have been any Crusades to begin with. [/QUOTE]

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