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Are Bard Hymns Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="Ondath" data-source="post: 9076308" data-attributes="member: 7031770"><p>Yes, but depends on the spell and the hymn focus you took, at least as I read the rules:</p><p></p><p>Activating a hymn requires no action, just spending a use of Bardic Inspiration at the start of your turn. From 4th level onwards, you can also use your reaction to start a Hymn at the end of another creature's turn. So theoretically you could activate a Hymn on Round 1 before your turn even comes up.</p><p></p><p>And when the focus you chose matters is this: If you chose the option that makes the hymns no longer require any concentration, you can also cast a concentration spell. So theoretically, you could do the following on Turn 1 as a Level 5 Bard: Start your turn by giving a +CHA to all saves for an ally, use a bonus action to give Bardic Inspiration to that same ally, then buff them with Haste. And then you regain the two uses you spent by taking a Short Rest.</p><p></p><p>If you instead took the "hymns affect +CHA number of people" focus, you can't cast a concentration spell. So at Level 5, in one round you can: (1) Give 4 allies a +4 bonus to all saves. (2) Give one ally a d8 Bardic Inspiration die. (3) Cast a non-concentration spell.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ondath, post: 9076308, member: 7031770"] Yes, but depends on the spell and the hymn focus you took, at least as I read the rules: Activating a hymn requires no action, just spending a use of Bardic Inspiration at the start of your turn. From 4th level onwards, you can also use your reaction to start a Hymn at the end of another creature's turn. So theoretically you could activate a Hymn on Round 1 before your turn even comes up. And when the focus you chose matters is this: If you chose the option that makes the hymns no longer require any concentration, you can also cast a concentration spell. So theoretically, you could do the following on Turn 1 as a Level 5 Bard: Start your turn by giving a +CHA to all saves for an ally, use a bonus action to give Bardic Inspiration to that same ally, then buff them with Haste. And then you regain the two uses you spent by taking a Short Rest. If you instead took the "hymns affect +CHA number of people" focus, you can't cast a concentration spell. So at Level 5, in one round you can: (1) Give 4 allies a +4 bonus to all saves. (2) Give one ally a d8 Bardic Inspiration die. (3) Cast a non-concentration spell. [/QUOTE]
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