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Are Bard Hymns Overpowered?
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<blockquote data-quote="Selganor" data-source="post: 9113724" data-attributes="member: 1135"><p>First: You expend one BI when you start the Hymn, so if you never declare a target and just sustain the Hymn you have just "wasted" this BI.</p><p></p><p>You don't need a Reaction to choose a target ("You may choose to target a creature at any point, but after targeting a battle hymn its</p><p>target cannot be changed.") but you can only Sustain a Hymn that doesn't have a target declared yet.</p><p>Note that "at any point" isn't limited to your turn.</p><p></p><p>Battle Hymn Focus allows you to to start/replace a Hymn at the end of another creature's turn as a Reaction (and if you already got a Hymn running but not targeted you get the new Hymn ´without expending another BI, it allows you to "change the tune" with a Reaction)</p><p></p><p>It should be obvious that the Bard's Hymn is now affecting people (and even if it doesn't target someone the fact that the bard is doing something should be obvious)</p><p></p><p>The Hymn ends at the end of the Bard's turn and once you declared a target for the Hymn it can't be sustained anymore. So if a 4th level bard used his reaction to activate an Overbearing Rhythm at the end of someone at Initiative 12 and the bard acts at initiative 10 then only those between those two points would be affected by the Hymn and anyone acting at 9 or less wouldn't be affected by it anymore. But I see no limit on how many attacks would be affected by OR. </p><p>But an enemy might want to change the target to someone not affected by OR (for example the bard?)</p><p></p><p>If the Bard chose no Concentration for the Battle Hymn Focus would still be working even if he was knocked out (or killed). (Talk about an earworm that just lingers...)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Selganor, post: 9113724, member: 1135"] First: You expend one BI when you start the Hymn, so if you never declare a target and just sustain the Hymn you have just "wasted" this BI. You don't need a Reaction to choose a target ("You may choose to target a creature at any point, but after targeting a battle hymn its target cannot be changed.") but you can only Sustain a Hymn that doesn't have a target declared yet. Note that "at any point" isn't limited to your turn. Battle Hymn Focus allows you to to start/replace a Hymn at the end of another creature's turn as a Reaction (and if you already got a Hymn running but not targeted you get the new Hymn ´without expending another BI, it allows you to "change the tune" with a Reaction) It should be obvious that the Bard's Hymn is now affecting people (and even if it doesn't target someone the fact that the bard is doing something should be obvious) The Hymn ends at the end of the Bard's turn and once you declared a target for the Hymn it can't be sustained anymore. So if a 4th level bard used his reaction to activate an Overbearing Rhythm at the end of someone at Initiative 12 and the bard acts at initiative 10 then only those between those two points would be affected by the Hymn and anyone acting at 9 or less wouldn't be affected by it anymore. But I see no limit on how many attacks would be affected by OR. But an enemy might want to change the target to someone not affected by OR (for example the bard?) If the Bard chose no Concentration for the Battle Hymn Focus would still be working even if he was knocked out (or killed). (Talk about an earworm that just lingers...) [/QUOTE]
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