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<blockquote data-quote="Mistwell" data-source="post: 3615063" data-attributes="member: 2525">I think if the bard wins initiative, or everyone who beats him delays until after his turn or does something non-aggressive, then a bard should be able to fascinate in a dungeon setting.&nbsp; Combat to me is when someone has taken an actual offensive action against an opponent.&nbsp; Until then, it's just initiative to see how people will react to the situation (which could be diplomacy, running away, doing nothing, casting a healing spell on themselves, or any of a host of non aggressive actions).Now as for how it would be used, I think that's when you want to avoid combat entirely.&nbsp; So if an owlbear is in a room that you need to get through, but you have no desire (or ability maybe) to defeat the owlbear, and the owlbear isn't physically standing in such a way as to block the exit, you might fascinate the owlbear to allow for the party to pass (and then run after the fascinate ends - unless you suggested they go to sleep or leave the area to find food elsewhere or something).</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mistwell, post: 3615063, member: 2525"] I think if the bard wins initiative, or everyone who beats him delays until after his turn or does something non-aggressive, then a bard should be able to fascinate in a dungeon setting. Combat to me is when someone has taken an actual offensive action against an opponent. Until then, it's just initiative to see how people will react to the situation (which could be diplomacy, running away, doing nothing, casting a healing spell on themselves, or any of a host of non aggressive actions). Now as for how it would be used, I think that's when you want to avoid combat entirely. So if an owlbear is in a room that you need to get through, but you have no desire (or ability maybe) to defeat the owlbear, and the owlbear isn't physically standing in such a way as to block the exit, you might fascinate the owlbear to allow for the party to pass (and then run after the fascinate ends - unless you suggested they go to sleep or leave the area to find food elsewhere or something). [/QUOTE]

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