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<blockquote data-quote="Blue" data-source="post: 9041191" data-attributes="member: 20564">To me, classes are not in-world constructs.&nbsp; Inside the world, there's no such thing as a &quot;cleric&quot; as defined by the player-facing balanced-against-other-classes rules set forth in the PHB and expanded in other books.&nbsp; This is pretty much official - if you look at NPCs in the various books, they are not built with PC building rules.&nbsp; You have a &quot;Druid&quot; in the MM that has 4th level casting but no wideshape.&nbsp; You have lots of other NPCs that evoke certain classes without being that class from the PHB.Brandar walking down the street is called a &quot;warrior&quot;.&nbsp; If they are a PC, they might be a fighter, barbarian, maybe some other class/subclass like a kensai monk.&nbsp; Or as an NPC is whatever I build that the in-world natural language of &quot;warrior&quot; would describe.Now, onto &quot;cleric&quot; vs. &quot;priest&quot; - the same thing holds.&nbsp; PC casters linearly tie casting level to, well, &quot;how advance they are&quot;.&nbsp; That's not true in world.&nbsp; Last religious figure they met in my game was the elder and well respected bishop over the capital city of a duchy.&nbsp; He could cast 2nd level spells and that's it.&nbsp; I have religious people who can't cast at all, just like that MM Druid can't wildshape.TL;DR: PHB is player facing, as a slim player-balanced facet of what's actually in world.&nbsp; In world they describe people using natural language and not classes.&nbsp; Since the MM does the same thing with NPCs, we know this is correct.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Blue, post: 9041191, member: 20564"] To me, classes are not in-world constructs. Inside the world, there's no such thing as a "cleric" as defined by the player-facing balanced-against-other-classes rules set forth in the PHB and expanded in other books. This is pretty much official - if you look at NPCs in the various books, they are not built with PC building rules. You have a "Druid" in the MM that has 4th level casting but no wideshape. You have lots of other NPCs that evoke certain classes without being that class from the PHB. Brandar walking down the street is called a "warrior". If they are a PC, they might be a fighter, barbarian, maybe some other class/subclass like a kensai monk. Or as an NPC is whatever I build that the in-world natural language of "warrior" would describe. Now, onto "cleric" vs. "priest" - the same thing holds. PC casters linearly tie casting level to, well, "how advance they are". That's not true in world. Last religious figure they met in my game was the elder and well respected bishop over the capital city of a duchy. He could cast 2nd level spells and that's it. I have religious people who can't cast at all, just like that MM Druid can't wildshape. [B]TL;DR:[/B] PHB is player facing, as a slim player-balanced facet of what's actually in world. In world they describe people using natural language and not classes. Since the MM does the same thing with NPCs, we know this is correct. [/QUOTE]

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