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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tetrasodium" data-source="post: 9045555" data-attributes="member: 93670">still dubious. e7 was not a niche thing, nobody has found a way to nicely adapt it to 5e because 5e resists such attempts until you make a new system   Take this list of things<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">a Level 7 full BaB PC (ie fighter/barbarian/etc) would have two attacks at +7/+2, a level 7 rogue with (I think?) 2/3 BaB would have one attack at +5 & would have gotten a second at +6/+1 if allowed to continue onto level 8.  A wizard with umm 1/3 BaB would be at +3 but targeting saves & touch AC   <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">In both 2014 & 2024 versions of 5e some classes get full attack mod sec ond attack at 5 & 11 </li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">All of those PCs would have been gaining skill points to distribute in skills as they advanced based on class & int mod<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">We don't have the 2024 skill system, and & really need to see the 2024 skill system, but in 2014 5e all of those classes have the same bonus & in many cases probably the same must take S tier skills due to a skill system at odds with the system</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Back in 3.x feats & PrCs had meaningful prerequisites and the really creative minmaxing abuses was starting to come into reach if allowed to continue past 7<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">in 2014 5e there are effectively  zero prereqs on almost anything & in 2024 there are some extremely minimal level restrictions on some feats but still basically anything goes.</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">magic items were assumed so an e7 PC who kept progressing needed to lean more heavily on equipment & teamwork as monsters got stronger.  <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">5e has no assumption of magic items & even pegs monsters to the capabilities of lower level PCs with bounded accuracy.   Instead of meaningful <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-focus-fire-problem.690498/#post-8721960" target="_blank">DR/Resist/SR</a> & similar it's just "oh my objectively best weapon is magic so I ignore the resistance". We don't yet have any of those kind of GM focused hooks dials  & levers in 2024 5e</li> </ul></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">casters needed to rely on spell slots wands & scrolls so a level 7 full cater had 4/3/2/1 spell slots plus whatever they get from gear never jumping to 4/3/3/2  - 4/4/3/2/1 - 4/4/3/3/2 & so on<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">So far in both versions of 5e casters & some non-casters from things like race have unlimited automatically scaling cantrips they never need to upgrade equipment with or risk running out of</li> </ul></li> </ul></blockquote>

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