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Message: <blockquote data-quote="ruleslawyer" data-source="post: 388917" data-attributes="member: 1757">Interesting; I actually tend to think that Persistent Spell is only worthwhile on spells with a 1 round per level duration. Extend is otherwise a MUCH cheaper means of accomplishing the same thing. Personally, I don't find PS overpowered at all, with the exception of persistent divine power, which simply serves to show what a bad idea the divine power spell is.It's funny that so many of you are sniping at the splatbook buffs, when the worst buffs by far are found in the PHB. To be precise, polymorph other and haste, the worst buffs of all. (Actually, IMHO, all the potential you need for rules abuse is right in the PHB. The planar ally line of spells, simulacra, poly spells, haste, scrying, etc., all are capable of pushing a party's power vastly beyond a DM's potential to cope using modules out of the box.) In any event, I propose the following house rules:1) Ability buffs provide a +4 enhancement bonus to the relevant ability, period. No variable element means no empowering; it's also easier on the DM.2) Either remove poly other from your game entirely, raise the spell level substantially, or create a mental change rule similar to that in previous editions. The spell is just insane as written.3) GMW gives you a +2 weapon, period. I see no reason why PCs shouldn't pay for their magic weapons rather than get to add +5 enhancement bonus to their weapons for free, willy-nilly.4) No mental stat buffs. Again, you want to spend the time, gold, and XP to make the items, fine.  Mental stat buffs are just too good for spellcasters, and often can create a vicious cycle where spellcasters gain bonus spells for the higher ability score and can simply memorize an additional spell to replace the spent buff spell.Personally, I don't think the buff spell durations need lowering. It would also nerf these spells almost entirely to lower their durations, since it'll be difficult for casters to cast more than one or two buff spells per day. After all, if putting out the entire suite of buff spells on your party takes a minute or two, they'll be gone sooon enough after casting's finished given the new durations, right?</blockquote>

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