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<blockquote data-quote="Simulacrum" data-source="post: 389177" data-attributes="member: 7749"><p>Have you ever checked the DM's Guide?</p><p>It's on page 177 and 176.</p><p>Enhancement to scores is limited to +6. spells nor items can go above that. Read also Faq's and Wotc commentarys.</p><p>-</p><p>The same goes for Inherit and most other bonuses only that they are ´limited to +5. You cant go above that.</p><p>-</p><p>Polymorph doesnt care for the items to resize. It melds them into the new form (exept humanoid form). It prohibits spellcasting etc....It's you who is trying to get around the rules. You are just one fine example of an player on the table for the blind.</p><p>And it specifily say...other than humanoid form you CAN NOT use magic items. you CANT cast spells. This is a restriction of the spell not another rule that is to be reinterpreted by losers.</p><p>-</p><p>Other than that Polymorph is a good spell...but never overpowered. It's dumb DM's and players who make it overpowered. Polymorph is fine the way it is.</p><p>I dont care if a mage turns into an Ogre mage with strength 23 and con 18. He still can only cast spells "or" attack.</p><p>On higher levels polymorphing is just another useless buff spell that is worth nothing in direct combat. </p><p>Believe me I'm the DM of my group and I'm keeping them in check without having to amputate their abilities, it's cool and good for them when they can cast polymorph the first time. First it's a very useful spell (how it should be or there would be no reason in casting it) and it's on a high level so you have to expect a bit from an none damaging spell. Later on they don't use it much. I mean higher levels you get better spells.</p><p>And the *villians* get smarter and stronger, why bother polymorphing?</p><p>And if you get to that point a clever DM starts using tactics!</p><p>As I gave examples above. Powergamer and buff character will start looking like running chicken when their overpowered spells jsut fail every round and they get dispelled and countered to hell by clever and recourceful *villians*. What do I care how high someone can wind up his spell DC when I'm just laughing and dispel all their plans in two rounds, while a good combination of Monsters and NPC's take them out faster then the PC's can look just because they relied on a lame and too obvious tactic.</p><p>Be hones to yourself, if you would be a high level villian with that much experience working together with other equally ecperienced you would do the same wouldn't you? You would EXPECT that.</p><p>Most buffs are worth NOTHING, when a clever DM uses the system how it should be used.</p><p>(Divination and scrying makes villians prepared earlier then the heroes because the villians have much more to lose.)</p><p>A clever DM isn't impressd by anything the players come up with.</p><p>Everything was allready done, there is no *surprise* for a clever NPC. They know what to expect.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Simulacrum, post: 389177, member: 7749"] Have you ever checked the DM's Guide? It's on page 177 and 176. Enhancement to scores is limited to +6. spells nor items can go above that. Read also Faq's and Wotc commentarys. - The same goes for Inherit and most other bonuses only that they are ´limited to +5. You cant go above that. - Polymorph doesnt care for the items to resize. It melds them into the new form (exept humanoid form). It prohibits spellcasting etc....It's you who is trying to get around the rules. You are just one fine example of an player on the table for the blind. And it specifily say...other than humanoid form you CAN NOT use magic items. you CANT cast spells. This is a restriction of the spell not another rule that is to be reinterpreted by losers. - Other than that Polymorph is a good spell...but never overpowered. It's dumb DM's and players who make it overpowered. Polymorph is fine the way it is. I dont care if a mage turns into an Ogre mage with strength 23 and con 18. He still can only cast spells "or" attack. On higher levels polymorphing is just another useless buff spell that is worth nothing in direct combat. Believe me I'm the DM of my group and I'm keeping them in check without having to amputate their abilities, it's cool and good for them when they can cast polymorph the first time. First it's a very useful spell (how it should be or there would be no reason in casting it) and it's on a high level so you have to expect a bit from an none damaging spell. Later on they don't use it much. I mean higher levels you get better spells. And the *villians* get smarter and stronger, why bother polymorphing? And if you get to that point a clever DM starts using tactics! As I gave examples above. Powergamer and buff character will start looking like running chicken when their overpowered spells jsut fail every round and they get dispelled and countered to hell by clever and recourceful *villians*. What do I care how high someone can wind up his spell DC when I'm just laughing and dispel all their plans in two rounds, while a good combination of Monsters and NPC's take them out faster then the PC's can look just because they relied on a lame and too obvious tactic. Be hones to yourself, if you would be a high level villian with that much experience working together with other equally ecperienced you would do the same wouldn't you? You would EXPECT that. Most buffs are worth NOTHING, when a clever DM uses the system how it should be used. (Divination and scrying makes villians prepared earlier then the heroes because the villians have much more to lose.) A clever DM isn't impressd by anything the players come up with. Everything was allready done, there is no *surprise* for a clever NPC. They know what to expect. [/QUOTE]
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