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<blockquote data-quote="Elder-Basilisk" data-source="post: 391897" data-attributes="member: 3146"><p>Well, I guess starting out it's worth noting that it was really two characters and an NPC that took down the dragon. When animal companions are awakened, they are no longer animal companions but remain favorably disposed to the PC if he treated them well before they were awakened. The point is that it's a party of three 18th level characters (assuming that the bear barbarian was somewhere around level 18 after ECL and all that is figured in.) Now if you take a party of average party level 18 (APL) and subtract one for having fewer than 4 characters, that's still APL 17. Even then, the dragon is only 3 CRs above their EL so they could be expected to take the dragon down in a tough fight.</p><p></p><p>It's also worth noting that the PCs start out with a very major advantage over the dragon by possessing an item that summons it right next to them. A dragon's best tactic in this kind of situation is usually fly-by attacks (particularly if he uses snatch on the druid), hover (with the resultant blindness) and such in order to prevent anyone from getting full attacks on him. By starting the fight at 5' step range, the dragon is definitely in a suboptimal tactical position.</p><p></p><p>A few questions I had about :</p><p></p><p>"Dragon's New Lowered AC for massive damage" This isn't a core rule is it? As a house rule, I imagine lowering AC for taking massive damage would work out to the PCs' disadvantage more often than no but in this case the added element of chance seems to have worked in their favor.</p><p></p><p>"Druid's Elemental Resistance Buffs"? Did he just say "there are 5 energy types and I don't know which, if any, will apply so I'll case Protection from elements once for each energy type"?</p><p></p><p>"Monk's Damage: 1d12+1d4+8"--where's the 1d4 from? Are you allowing dirty fighting damage on all of the monk's attacks? Or is it a magic item of some kind?</p><p></p><p>"Druid casts. . . and follows up with a miasma" Ordinarily I'd say that this was the problem right here--Miasma is broken--but it doesn't appear to have impacted the fight at all. . . .</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Elder-Basilisk, post: 391897, member: 3146"] Well, I guess starting out it's worth noting that it was really two characters and an NPC that took down the dragon. When animal companions are awakened, they are no longer animal companions but remain favorably disposed to the PC if he treated them well before they were awakened. The point is that it's a party of three 18th level characters (assuming that the bear barbarian was somewhere around level 18 after ECL and all that is figured in.) Now if you take a party of average party level 18 (APL) and subtract one for having fewer than 4 characters, that's still APL 17. Even then, the dragon is only 3 CRs above their EL so they could be expected to take the dragon down in a tough fight. It's also worth noting that the PCs start out with a very major advantage over the dragon by possessing an item that summons it right next to them. A dragon's best tactic in this kind of situation is usually fly-by attacks (particularly if he uses snatch on the druid), hover (with the resultant blindness) and such in order to prevent anyone from getting full attacks on him. By starting the fight at 5' step range, the dragon is definitely in a suboptimal tactical position. A few questions I had about : "Dragon's New Lowered AC for massive damage" This isn't a core rule is it? As a house rule, I imagine lowering AC for taking massive damage would work out to the PCs' disadvantage more often than no but in this case the added element of chance seems to have worked in their favor. "Druid's Elemental Resistance Buffs"? Did he just say "there are 5 energy types and I don't know which, if any, will apply so I'll case Protection from elements once for each energy type"? "Monk's Damage: 1d12+1d4+8"--where's the 1d4 from? Are you allowing dirty fighting damage on all of the monk's attacks? Or is it a magic item of some kind? "Druid casts. . . and follows up with a miasma" Ordinarily I'd say that this was the problem right here--Miasma is broken--but it doesn't appear to have impacted the fight at all. . . . [/QUOTE]
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