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<blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5295778" data-attributes="member: 7883">You say always like it's the natural choice in every game?&nbsp; I can only attest from what I saw in the games I have been in.&nbsp; We had min-maxers play a vow of poverty monk, a grappling monk, and a fighter, in different games.&nbsp; Never a single-classed wizard.&nbsp; We *had* a single classed wizard....but he wasn't run by the min-maxer.&nbsp; We also had a druid who wasn't run by a min-maxer, but nevertheless became one of the most powerful characters in the party.Really, the only character that was a problem in terms of being so unbalanced against the rest of the party was the vow of poverty monk.&nbsp; I had to increase the challenge of encounters to such a degree, in order to challenge him, that the encounters were killing most of the rest of the party members.......actually, the single-classed wizard was killed by an encounter I'd beefed up in order to try and balance against the vow of poverty monk.I would contest that min/maxers know how to min/max.&nbsp; But that there are many choices for how to do so....not just single-classed spellcaster.&nbsp; And that by no means is that the only choice for someone seeking to dominate the game.Banshee</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Banshee16, post: 5295778, member: 7883"] You say always like it's the natural choice in every game? I can only attest from what I saw in the games I have been in. We had min-maxers play a vow of poverty monk, a grappling monk, and a fighter, in different games. Never a single-classed wizard. We *had* a single classed wizard....but he wasn't run by the min-maxer. We also had a druid who wasn't run by a min-maxer, but nevertheless became one of the most powerful characters in the party. Really, the only character that was a problem in terms of being so unbalanced against the rest of the party was the vow of poverty monk. I had to increase the challenge of encounters to such a degree, in order to challenge him, that the encounters were killing most of the rest of the party members.......actually, the single-classed wizard was killed by an encounter I'd beefed up in order to try and balance against the vow of poverty monk. I would contest that min/maxers know how to min/max. But that there are many choices for how to do so....not just single-classed spellcaster. And that by no means is that the only choice for someone seeking to dominate the game. Banshee [/QUOTE]

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