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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Herremann the Wise" data-source="post: 5297345" data-attributes="member: 11300">You're referring to Mordenkainen's Disjunction and the previous discussion here? Two quick questions. What percentage of enemies at high level have access to Mordenkainen's/Mage's Disjunction? Let's say you force Disjuction once every session to keep the wizard in line. Are your players going to get a little bit sick of losing their hard won magical equipment after the 7th or 8th time?I don't consider Mordenkainen's Disjunction a "tactic" against the wizard. If used as such, it just becomes a punishment upon all the players. Do this too often and you're going to hear players asking when the next campaign starts and who else is going to DM it. YMMV.[On a side note, I think Disjunction is best used as a story device more so than being spammed against the PCs. The pathfinder ruleset improved this spell by giving it a duration versus MIs (although there is still a 5% chance of losing items so it will happen somewhat regularly if over-used.) In 3.5, the duration was instantaneous and so it was too vicious. The 40ft. radius as well acts as a natural inhibitor of the spell making it virtually uncastable half the time anyway.]I didn't notice any other successful ways of controlling the wizards power that brings the wizard into line with the rest of the party from the discussion. If people could present such tactics and options, I would be very grateful (I'll spam XP to everyone <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />) as I'm presently having to deal with exactly this situation (an 18th level wizard running rampant over his 17th to 20th level peers). I'd like to think I have a modicum of intelligence and that I'm conversant enough in high level play but in this regard, I seem to suck (or perhaps there is no reasonable way and I just need to accept the wizard's power over the rest of the party).Best RegardsHerremann the Wise</blockquote>

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