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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Banshee16" data-source="post: 5297548" data-attributes="member: 7883">If you're talking about your stereotypical hole in the ground, filled with rooms, traps, and monsters sitting in those rooms waiting to kill adventurers who came upon them, then, no, we didn't play many dungeons.I'm not saying *none*.  I'm saying not many.We had games taking place in cities, with urban encounters in alleyways, thieves guilds, council chambers.  Negotations with archmagi, generals of armies, and powerful nobles.  FedEx quests traveling between cities and plains.  Lots of encounters in the wilderness, crumbling sewers of ancient cities, castles, sometimes ancient ruins etc.It was varied.  But dungeons can be more than just holes in the ground.I honestly don't know many games that just took place in dungeons.  I mean, seems like kind of a limited play style.  My games have never been like that, and gaves I've participated in as a player weren't really like that either.Please keep in mind, that character was three years ago, so my memory may be spotty.  But, as DM, it was kind of everything.  The Vow of Poverty is built in a way that it's intended to make up for the fact that a character doesn't have use of all the myriad magic items characters of his level would have.  But it seemed to give everything....almost like the magic items they were balanced against were a perfectly selected selection of items outfitting another character....as if they maximized exactly which items the character had, instead of the random, haphazard selection of items that most characters would get, by virtue of random treasure placement, and the fact that no single character in a party got to pick everything.  Instead, they'd pick lots, so the items would get spread around, instead of that perfect selection being all handed to one person.With the Vow of Poverty however, any character who doesn't really need equipment (ie. Monk, Sorcerer, maybe Wizard) could gain:AC bonus of +15 (counting armor, deflection, natural)+20 to ability scores (adding everything up....basically same as a character having +5 items for four of his abilitiesRegenerationResistance bonus +3 to all savesEnergy resistance 1510 bonus featsdoesn't need to eat or breath True SeeingThose are huge bonuses.....and many of them are available via one item or another.  But what's the likelihood a single character would have enough items to get all those abilities?Magic items get burned out, stolen, broken in battle, traded away.....IMO it's rare that a character would have the perfect selection of items....unless it was a new game, you were starting the characters at a high level, and as a result they got to pick the level's worth of magic items.Banshee</blockquote>

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