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Are Commoners now immune to Detect Evil?
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<blockquote data-quote="BryonD" data-source="post: 4938664" data-attributes="member: 957"><p>You said you were not interested in hearing about particles of Evil Radiation, even though I had not used that term and you were only using it to describe my reference to differences in aura power. You objected to it right there.</p><p></p><p>To the contrary, the only torture of the situation is coming from you. </p><p></p><p>You are not even being consistent. You said being able to tell 6HD was a new and bad thing. And yet when I point out that you could already tell 11HD you sidestep that this is exactly the same problem. I did not question whether 11HD should warrant "an arua" , I questioned why it is terrible for a 6HD evil person to have a notable different aura than a 5HD person (as you complained about) and yet you seem to accept with no qualms whatsoever that an 11HD person has a notably different aura than a 10 HD person.</p><p></p><p>Here is your quote:"now they do" is false. The only thing that has changed is the threshold has moved from 11 to 6.</p><p></p><p>Why under 3.5 does an 11HD rogue who is life long petty thief warrant a stronger aura than a 4 HD guy who eats beans out of Aunt Janie's skull? Again, you are forcing additional elements into the mechanic that are not there. Under 3.5 Detect Evil did nothing but look at is it evil [yes/no] and how many HD does it have. </p><p></p><p>Perhaps you are saying that under the 3X alignment system that anyone evil would eat beans out of Aunt Janie's skull and if you won't do that you don't qualify as evil. If you are imposing this interpretation on the system then I'd say you are out of step with the common interpretation. Which is fine, but it is going to fall to you to deal with adjustments to the system that reflect your other changes.</p><p></p><p>But detect evil has *never* detected "how evil are you", it has always detected "how powerful are you". Show me the SRD or 3X quote that describes how eating beans out of Aunt Janie's skull would change the result of detect evil.</p><p></p><p>It is the same black and white for more powerful opponents. For weaker opponents it adds more shades of gray. Last time I checked, more shades of gray was more shades of gray.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>He said "It's for finding hidden outsiders, detecting the presence of nightmarish monsters, or rooting out sinister cultists imbued with the power of Evil." Note that last part "imbued with the power of Evil.". If your whole "cult" is made up of rogues and sorcerers less than 5HD, then it is fair to say that they are not "imbued with the power of Evil."</p><p></p><p>As to the 1st level paladin, quite simply: Why not? It still finds evil undead, and evil clerics. But the paladin must learn how to deal with some of the more challenging questions of morality before his god start giving him answers for free when it comes to rogues and wizards.</p><p></p><p>Bottom line is, if you want to say you are house-ruling because in your campaign things like whether or not you eat beans out of aunt Janie's brain are part of the detect evil equation, then fine. I see no reason for anyone to argue. But if you are going to present a case that this is at odds with prior views you will need to present a case that relies on nothing more than [yes/no] evil and HD, because that is what 3.5 had.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryonD, post: 4938664, member: 957"] You said you were not interested in hearing about particles of Evil Radiation, even though I had not used that term and you were only using it to describe my reference to differences in aura power. You objected to it right there. To the contrary, the only torture of the situation is coming from you. You are not even being consistent. You said being able to tell 6HD was a new and bad thing. And yet when I point out that you could already tell 11HD you sidestep that this is exactly the same problem. I did not question whether 11HD should warrant "an arua" , I questioned why it is terrible for a 6HD evil person to have a notable different aura than a 5HD person (as you complained about) and yet you seem to accept with no qualms whatsoever that an 11HD person has a notably different aura than a 10 HD person. Here is your quote:"now they do" is false. The only thing that has changed is the threshold has moved from 11 to 6. Why under 3.5 does an 11HD rogue who is life long petty thief warrant a stronger aura than a 4 HD guy who eats beans out of Aunt Janie's skull? Again, you are forcing additional elements into the mechanic that are not there. Under 3.5 Detect Evil did nothing but look at is it evil [yes/no] and how many HD does it have. Perhaps you are saying that under the 3X alignment system that anyone evil would eat beans out of Aunt Janie's skull and if you won't do that you don't qualify as evil. If you are imposing this interpretation on the system then I'd say you are out of step with the common interpretation. Which is fine, but it is going to fall to you to deal with adjustments to the system that reflect your other changes. But detect evil has *never* detected "how evil are you", it has always detected "how powerful are you". Show me the SRD or 3X quote that describes how eating beans out of Aunt Janie's skull would change the result of detect evil. It is the same black and white for more powerful opponents. For weaker opponents it adds more shades of gray. Last time I checked, more shades of gray was more shades of gray. He said "It's for finding hidden outsiders, detecting the presence of nightmarish monsters, or rooting out sinister cultists imbued with the power of Evil." Note that last part "imbued with the power of Evil.". If your whole "cult" is made up of rogues and sorcerers less than 5HD, then it is fair to say that they are not "imbued with the power of Evil." As to the 1st level paladin, quite simply: Why not? It still finds evil undead, and evil clerics. But the paladin must learn how to deal with some of the more challenging questions of morality before his god start giving him answers for free when it comes to rogues and wizards. Bottom line is, if you want to say you are house-ruling because in your campaign things like whether or not you eat beans out of aunt Janie's brain are part of the detect evil equation, then fine. I see no reason for anyone to argue. But if you are going to present a case that this is at odds with prior views you will need to present a case that relies on nothing more than [yes/no] evil and HD, because that is what 3.5 had. [/QUOTE]
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