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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 3675912" data-attributes="member: 20239">But why does the significant difference have to be the cut-off between RPGs and non-RPGs?  Why can't it just be the cut-off point between pen-n-paper RPGs and cRPGs?It seems to me that the cut-off point between RPG and non-RPG should in some way address the presence or lack of RP in the game.  The presence of a referee to adjudicate the rules doesn't have anything to do with how the rules integrate roleplay.  Boxing, football, basketball, etc. all have referees to adjudicate the rules (the idea of an impartial referee who controls some aspects of the game certainly isn't a NEW idea), yet I doubt anyone would label them as roleplay.The presence of an impartial referee to adjudicate aspects of roleplay may certainly be a cut-off point between one type of game and another, but it seems to me that if you have two types of games 1) a game in which an impartial referee adjudicates aspects of roleplay; and 2) a game in which there is no impartial referee to adjudicate roleplay; that (in order for those definitions and distinctions to be useful) you have to recognize that both types of games involve roleplay and that the distinction between them cannot be made by calling one a "roleplaying game" and the other a "non-roleplaying game".  The distinction requires some other nomenclature that, instead, specifically addresses the presence or absence of an impartial referee with control over aspects of roleplay.</blockquote>

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