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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ourph" data-source="post: 3676541" data-attributes="member: 20239">It wasn't meant as an attack.  I'm sorry you took it that way.  Do you have any response to the substance of the rest of my post concerning DM control and Gary's position?First, Because thing X and thing Y are not restricted to systems in your definition, the definition is much too broad.  A TV show, for example, is not a system.  A movie is not (actually cannot be) a simulation of a TV show because neither is a system.  The purpose of some computer programs is to represent the behavior and characteristics of some other system.  The purpose of a movie is not to represent the behavior or characteristics of a TV show, even if both address the same subject matter.  Having two things with similar content but in different media does not automatically equate to one being a simulation of the other.Second, because the definition does not address directionality.  By your definition, if Y is a simulation of X, then X is automatically a simulation of Y as well (a relationship that is not upheld in most examples of simulations).  A weather simulator on a computer can produce a simulation of a hurricane.  A hurricane is not, in turn, a simulation of weather predicting software.I'm still not sure how that disproves what I said earlier.  I said...If you choose to ignore some rules or change some rules you may very well be altering the limitations placed on your character or even eliminating some limitations placed on your character, but the only way to play with no limitations on your character is to play without any rules, at which point the activity you are engaged in stops being a game (because, by definition, games have rules).  Therefore, your assertion that the thing that distinguishes RPGs from RPG simulations is that RPGs allow for unlimited character actions seems untenable.</blockquote>

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