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<blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 3933935" data-attributes="member: 8849"><p>I agree that magic is essential for high level D&D, but I don't think spellcasting is required. Magical effects can be created other ways, via items, spell-like abilities (I think I've said this one before), and even some feats.</p><p></p><p>So yes, in 3.x, dragons SHOULD have <em>magic</em>, but they shouldn't necessarily require <em>spellcasting </em>to stay viable threats. And having spellcasting adds a whole new workload for a DM already dealing with a complicated monster.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Minions</p><p></p><p></p><p>Minions</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's a frakking <em>dragon</em>.</p><p></p><p>Fear and promise of power.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Are balors dumb brutes? Are pit fiends dumb brutes? Are most demon lords dumb brutes? Are beholders dumb brutes? Are mind flayers dumb brutes? Are aboleths dumb brutes? These are all creatures without spellcasting, though they all have SLA's. Are they all dumb brutes because they have no natural spellcasting ability?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Removing spellcasting does not automatically make them dumb brutes. Please show me somewhere in the MM or Draconomicon where it says that Dragons automatically drop to Int 1 if they lose their spellcasting.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Pants, post: 3933935, member: 8849"] I agree that magic is essential for high level D&D, but I don't think spellcasting is required. Magical effects can be created other ways, via items, spell-like abilities (I think I've said this one before), and even some feats. So yes, in 3.x, dragons SHOULD have [I]magic[/I], but they shouldn't necessarily require [I]spellcasting [/I]to stay viable threats. And having spellcasting adds a whole new workload for a DM already dealing with a complicated monster. Minions Minions It's a frakking [I]dragon[/I]. Fear and promise of power. Are balors dumb brutes? Are pit fiends dumb brutes? Are most demon lords dumb brutes? Are beholders dumb brutes? Are mind flayers dumb brutes? Are aboleths dumb brutes? These are all creatures without spellcasting, though they all have SLA's. Are they all dumb brutes because they have no natural spellcasting ability? Removing spellcasting does not automatically make them dumb brutes. Please show me somewhere in the MM or Draconomicon where it says that Dragons automatically drop to Int 1 if they lose their spellcasting. [/QUOTE]
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