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<blockquote data-quote="Derren" data-source="post: 3934703" data-attributes="member: 2518">Nothing what I wrote above has any combat application (except maybe using magic for escape). And unless the dragon is very old (wyrm or older) the caster level of the dragon is not near the one of the PCs. When dragons still use magic as main attack form then it is because magic is too powerful in 3Ed (which by now is generally accepted as fact). I never proposed that dragons should fight like wizards. I just said that without magic dragons would be reduced to thugs because they would be unable to do many things they can do now (and are expected from them by a lot of players)A +3 certainly is certainly not enough to build an empire with &quot;charmed friends&quot;. Also you can't turn Charm into Domination with a high charisma (see text you quoted). The words &quot;Hold still so that I can implant a tadpole into your head which eats your brain&quot; aren't very well recieved even when looked at in the most favorable way.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Derren, post: 3934703, member: 2518"] Nothing what I wrote above has any combat application (except maybe using magic for escape). And unless the dragon is very old (wyrm or older) the caster level of the dragon is not near the one of the PCs. When dragons still use magic as main attack form then it is because magic is too powerful in 3Ed (which by now is generally accepted as fact). I never proposed that dragons should fight like wizards. I just said that without magic dragons would be reduced to thugs because they would be unable to do many things they can do now (and are expected from them by a lot of players) A +3 certainly is certainly not enough to build an empire with "charmed friends". Also you can't turn Charm into Domination with a high charisma (see text you quoted). The words "Hold still so that I can implant a tadpole into your head which eats your brain" aren't very well recieved even when looked at in the most favorable way. [/QUOTE]

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