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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Pants" data-source="post: 3935996" data-attributes="member: 8849">You don't need to cover all things spellcasting, just a few specific parts.I'm advocating giving each dragon a list of possible SLA's that the DM can pick from. Some at will, some once per day. I'm not advocating having the DM riffle through the spells section and pick some willy-nilly.You don't fight pit fiends or balors that often but they can be run as is pretty much right out of the book.Why not?Lots of people have families, jobs, and other things that don't let them spend all their time fiddling with D&D stuff.Ouch.How many classical dragons have spellcasting? Yeah, so I don't why either of us should bring classical dragons into the mix.A wizard minion could easily fill both roles.If I had my way, dragons would be the real encounter. It would be a force of nature, brutally tearing into PC's, not sitting in some alcove, summoning monsters and casting fireball at PC's. That's not very dragon-y.Wow, I can't really say much to the contrary if you think a creature with an Int, Wis, and Cha of 26 is a dumb brute.Mind Flayers are anything but dumb brutesI agree with this. Mind Flayers should have dominate monster, not charm person, but that's besides the point. That still doesn't make them dumb brutes, a term you seem to be using rather broadly.Minions, minions, minions.Yes you can... if you're creative.If you're smart enough to think of something, chances are, an elder dragon has already thought of itActually, they have Frightful Presence, which is a fear effect.Plus, they're dragons.You're just not thinking hard enough about it.Without spellcasting, dragons don't suddenly become sedentary beings waiting for an inevitable coup-de graceOh I agree. The difference being that you don't need to stat up a pit fiend beforehand, while you need to do just that with a dragon.</blockquote>

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