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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6176932" data-attributes="member: 19675">Mearls is just wrong: from personal experience, I'd say players can be just as much edition warriors as any DM.I game in a large group, and the only reason we had a 4Ed campaign at all is that the guy running the main 3.5Ed game wanted a break, and the newest member of the group wanted to run a campaign using 4Ed.  And he did, for almost 2 years.  But about 50% of our players objected to 4Ed's method of doing things so much that they never even made a PC, or stopped playing after just a few sessions.  We'd only see them on nights when our group- for a variety of reasons- played poker or other non-4Ed games.What killed the 4Ed campaign, have no doubt, was the guys who refused to play.Personally, I knew I never wanted to run 4Ed from day one, and even after being in the campaign and having a good time, that position hasn't changed.  Even though I did find myself liking the game enough to play as a player, I still have much the same objections to the way 4Ed worked as when i first picked it up, only more refined.  So I have no grudges against those who didn't play because I can't say they were wrong.</blockquote>