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<blockquote data-quote="Dannyalcatraz" data-source="post: 6177134" data-attributes="member: 19675">Not a true strawmen: Mearls's comment is addressed to &quot;playtesters&quot;.&nbsp; But it glosses over or minimizes the existence of those- such as we've seen on these very boards- who have expressed deep and real concerns or have even left the playtest after actively participating in it.And if you think the remaining playtesters don't count some fence-sitters and edition warriors among their numbers, you're not the guy I think you are.Any playtest group has as many different opinions on 5Ed as there are players in the group.&nbsp; Odds are good that there are edition warriors among them. Maybe not DMing, but participating, out of friendship with their buddies if nothing else.&nbsp; Others may even be participating to get an early look at their &quot;enemy&quot;, all the better to blog about its failings as soon as they are permitted to.&nbsp; Especially if the playtest included rules they thought were superior to the released form of 5Ed.<img src="http://www.enworld.org/forum/images/smilies/laugh.png"&nbsp; class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":lol:" title="Laughing&nbsp; &nbsp; :lol:" data-shortname=":lol:" />Energizing the base is important- not doing that is part of why the 4Ed rollout helped make the subsequent schism as bad as it was.&nbsp; But in a competitive market, it's only part of the equation...and often, not the most important part.&nbsp; ESPECIALLY when you're selling 5th as a unifying release.&nbsp; If that is part of your marketing plan, every press release needs to echo that.But by assuming they cannot be reached concedes the battle and defeats the narrative of your marketing plan.&nbsp; It merely reinforces the perception that &quot;they&quot; no longer care about &quot;us&quot; and &quot;our interests.&quot;&nbsp; A little of Column A, a little of Column B.&nbsp; Ultimately, I think that its possible that some of them really would have enjoyed the Essentials classes and some of the cleaned-up math.&nbsp; And because we had a good DM, that mighthave added enough additional players to the 4Ed game to reach a critical mass of players.&nbsp; We'd probably still be playing 4Ed- right now its poker and boardgames.No, I mean the forum stuff- US guys and gals.&nbsp; I think some are still following official press releases, but they're not on the boards, AFAIK.Maybe I'm just more cynical.&nbsp; Maybe I just have more exposure to people seeking out what they dislike in media and entertainment in order to verbally smite it.But I also believe that those same people can experience a Pauline conversion.Sometimes, &quot;after we do _____&quot; is too late for the outreach to begin.&nbsp; IMHO, the 4Ed rollout (along with other events) poisoned the proverbial well of goodwill- after a certain point, no outreach beyond actually playing the game would convince people of the good portions of 4Ed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Dannyalcatraz, post: 6177134, member: 19675"] Not a true strawmen: Mearls's comment is addressed to "playtesters". But it glosses over or minimizes the existence of those- such as we've seen on these very boards- who have expressed deep and real concerns or have even left the playtest after actively participating in it. And if you think the remaining playtesters don't count some fence-sitters [B]and [/B]edition warriors among their numbers, you're not the guy I think you are. Any playtest group has as many different opinions on 5Ed as there are players in the group. Odds are good that there are edition warriors among them. Maybe not DMing, but participating, out of friendship with their buddies if nothing else. Others may even be participating to get an early look at their "enemy", all the better to blog about its failings as soon as they are permitted to. [I]Especially[/I] if the playtest included rules they thought were superior to the released form of 5Ed. :lol: Energizing the base is important- not doing that is part of why the 4Ed rollout helped make the subsequent schism as bad as it was. But in a competitive market, it's only part of the equation...and often, not the most important part. ESPECIALLY when you're selling 5th as a unifying release. If that is part of your marketing plan, every press release needs to echo that. But by assuming they cannot be reached concedes the battle and defeats the narrative of your marketing plan. It merely reinforces the perception that "they" no longer care about "us" and "our interests." A little of Column A, a little of Column B. Ultimately, I think that its possible that some of them really would have enjoyed the Essentials classes and some of the cleaned-up math. And [I]because we had a good DM[/I], that [I]might[/I]have added enough additional players to the 4Ed game to reach a critical mass of players. We'd probably still be playing 4Ed- right now its poker and boardgames. No, I mean the forum stuff- US guys and gals. I think some are still following [I]official[/I] press releases, but they're not on the boards, AFAIK. Maybe I'm just more cynical. Maybe I just have more exposure to people seeking out what they dislike in media and entertainment in order to verbally smite it. But I also believe that those same people can experience a Pauline conversion. Sometimes, "after we do _____" is too late for the outreach to begin. IMHO, the 4Ed rollout (along with other events) poisoned the proverbial well of goodwill- after a certain point, no outreach beyond actually playing the game would convince people of the good portions of 4Ed. [/QUOTE]

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