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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Manbearcat" data-source="post: 6177219" data-attributes="member: 6696971">I've filled out most of the surveys and I'm not even sure how "edition warriorism" would manifest in them.  I generally perceive edition warrior rhetoric as use of (i) willfully provocative, boilerplate language or (ii) snide, drive-by remarks that have little use or explanatory power (they merely serve to malign/troll), or (iii) dismissive language that revokes someone's credibility as an authentic D&D player because they prefer one system versus another.  I can't even fathom what use or in what way those things would manifest in the surveys.  Saying "I prefer process-based mechanics to outcome-based mechanics" isn't edition-warrior language and it especially isn't so if you expand as to why.  Neither is saying the inverse.  Would saying "I won't play 5e if it includes non-removable <forced movement, liberal use of SoD, martial dailies, mechanics centered around the adventuring day rather than encounter> be edition warring?  I'm not sure that it is.  That can be just benign advocating for preference within the design framework.  I would say that the position of "I won't play 5e if it includes <this thing I don't like> even if its not in the default game and I never have to interact with it at the table" is edition warring.  But I'm not sure how that would be able to come out in a focused survey. An edition war is generally started when someone trolls a thread, willfully provokes, or dogpiles.  You have edition warring at that point before the other side even responds in defense.  In my experience, trolls typically need an audience.  The surveys provide no audience (just the interns that collate the data and perform whatever processing they do, if any) and no fanfare.  It just doesn't make sense for it to manifest in the surveys.  It just seems a pretty fluffy "I have a dream" remark that is much more "looking for, and unsurprisingly finding, vindication of our design hopes" (they need the greater D&D culture to be one tribe versus multiple, disparate, competing tribes) than it is reality on the ground.  I suppose one could say that it is cynical (not backed by reason and parsed data) to perceive the greater D&D culture as fractured tribes.  I don't agree with that but I don't see how the surveys would bear that out one way or another.  I think making the argument that the needle of D&D isn't moved by Yankees fans versus Red Sox fans is a pretty hard one to make.</blockquote>

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