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<blockquote data-quote="Bad Paper" data-source="post: 3398346" data-attributes="member: 24674">I have DMed a druid from level 1 to 16, so far.&nbsp; She has enough XP for 17, now, so when she wakes up I have a bigger headache on my hands.Not that the goal of any DM should be to kill his players, but the only times I have managed to kill this druid were when I have caught her out of wild-shape.&nbsp; Once at level 8, before she picked up Natural Spell (oh the irony of a treant killing a druid with his animated trees), and once at level 14 or so, when a beholder caught her in its antimagic cone (and her AC dropped by 20 on the front line battling two two-weapon fighters).She is damn hard to kill, so I consider a combat successful if I merely manage to shut down, exclude, or kill her animal companion.&nbsp; And I beat up the rest of the party enough that she is always coming to their rescue.Clerics are irritating and powerful, but I don't think they are as self-sufficient as druids.&nbsp; A druid on her own is still deadly; a cleric on his own is dead.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Bad Paper, post: 3398346, member: 24674"] I have DMed a druid from level 1 to 16, so far. She has enough XP for 17, now, so when she wakes up I have a bigger headache on my hands. Not that the goal of any DM should be to kill his players, but the only times I have managed to kill this druid were when I have caught her out of wild-shape. Once at level 8, before she picked up Natural Spell (oh the irony of a treant killing a druid with his animated trees), and once at level 14 or so, when a beholder caught her in its antimagic cone (and her AC dropped by 20 on the front line battling two two-weapon fighters). She is damn hard to kill, so I consider a combat successful if I merely manage to shut down, exclude, or kill her animal companion. And I beat up the rest of the party enough that she is always coming to their rescue. Clerics are irritating and powerful, but I don't think they are as self-sufficient as druids. A druid on her own is still deadly; a cleric on his own is dead. [/QUOTE]

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