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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5356366" data-attributes="member: 48965">I don't necessarily agree with this assesment, I think it's partially correct but doesn't go far enough IMO. I don't believe that only "new" or "inexperienced" players are the ones who wanted less tactical and option heavy classes. You see there's this great section in the DMG where it lists out all these different types of players and what they enjoy about the game. I think the problem arises in that 4e was designed so that all of those different types had to really be hybrids with "enjoy tactical combat"... especially since tactical combat length was made to take longer at lower levels (and thus color one's first experience with the system about just how much of a game session is devoted to tactical combat) and that just isn't true.  You see the "simpler" builds also allow PC's who don't enjoy tactical combat but enjoy other aspects of the game to play through combat effectively without being forced to delve to deeply into an aspect they may not enjoy as much as others. That I think is one of their biggest draws. When I read stories of Conan, Elric, Corum, Fafhrd & Gray Mouser, LotR, The Companions in the Dragonlance trilogy and so on... at least IMO, it was often more about the story and actual fantasy environs while less about the cool fight moves and tactics. I don't always want to play an intense tactical game (otherwise I'd have always played a Wizard, and I didn't), but that doesn't mean I don't want to play an rpg and it doesn't mean I won't put up with a mini tactical game in order to be a part of the largest rpg community... however I will try to minimize how much I have to be involved in that aspect of the game as opposed to other parts. As far as feel goes... let me just say that I honestly think the fluff of classic 4e was designed for people who played D&D but didn't want to play D&D... I don't know how else to put it, but i just feel like many of the fluff tropes that made D&D... well D&D were thrown out purposefully and this definitely affected how oldschoolers percieved it as "Not D&D". EDIT: I am not saying 4e is not D&D I am just elaborating on what I feel may have exasperated that feeling in some.</blockquote>

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