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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scribble" data-source="post: 5356525" data-attributes="member: 23977">Well, I didn't mean to imply I felt they WERE the oldschool rules, only that it felt like they used them as the starting point, rather then 3e.It's not so much the flavor- but how the system works.Some of things for me?1. Classes that had definite roles. This felt to me like how earlier edition classes had roles... Fighters used weapons and armor, thieves had the thief skills, etc... 2. In earlier editions fights weren't supposed to be mapped to each die roll. A round was two minutes, and you were supposed to be assumed to be taking all kinds of swings, and movements, and defensive actions... The rolled attacks were just the only ones that mattered game wise.The way 4e handles things like interrupts and reactions and attacks that just have effects no matter what reminded me of this... It kind of assumes that events are taking place not just on a one roll = one hit basis.3. At the end of a 1e fight (maybe 2e as well?) the rest of the turn was spent like cleaning weapons, recuperating, and stuff... This reminds me of short rests. 4. Monsters and PCs use different rules.This definitely brings me back to old school... Monsters just working by monster rules. 5. Monsters had similar "thematic elements" for categories, but it wasn't based so much on type...The 4e monster construction reminds me a lot of oldschool, in how the powers they have aren't really based on the creature type. Reading 3e monsters brings me back to older editions and wondering what type of powers the next monster would have, and stuff.6. Even rituals have a 1e "feel" to themAs strange as that sounds- 1e is filled with places where it talks about needing a magical tome, or manual to do things... For instance the orignal scarecrow mentions needing a magic manual to create one... Rituals being in books that you get specifically for the intended ritual reminds me of this type of thing, just fleshed out.7. DM arbitration...In my opinion despite the number of powers and such, 4e (to me) has felt a lot easier for the DM to house rule on the fly when needed. I think it goes back to the way 3e was interconnected. This reminds me of how the oldschool games were with the rules.There are other things too, but some of it is just "feel" to me- these are the things that I notice right off the bat though.</blockquote>

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