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<blockquote data-quote="UHF" data-source="post: 5358063" data-attributes="member: 95672">I love 4e more than 4E, so it is with considerable humor that I must relay this true story. &nbsp;I've been teaching a crop of new players to play D&amp;D using 4th&nbsp; Edition.&nbsp; There are lots of kids, 6-12 and a few adults.&nbsp; So, when the&nbsp; Red Box came out I dutifully told everyone to go out and get a copy and&nbsp; start playing. &nbsp;1 month later...&nbsp; I call the father (the DM) of a few of the kids and&nbsp; start talking him through the various issues he's had.&nbsp; (Oh... and it&nbsp; does sound like they are all having fun... and the family is spending more time together.)&nbsp; He tells me that his son&nbsp; doesn't like the fighter and wants to know when his fighter will get&nbsp; more powers.&nbsp; After some discussion I explained the differences between&nbsp; 4e and 4E. &nbsp;Then I talked to his son about his Slayer. &quot;All he can do is these stances, and I use them a lot, and this one&nbsp; encounter power that boosts his damage.&nbsp; He can't do anything!&quot; &quot;Well, we've been playing full 4th edition, and Essentials characters are different.&nbsp; They are a lot like old D&amp;D.&quot; &quot;Does he get more powers?&quot; &quot;No, not really.&quot; &quot;But all I can do is hit it with my sword!&quot; &nbsp;So... A 10 year old thinks Essentials sucks.&nbsp; Worse still, I doubt I could get him into an older style of game. &nbsp;Understand that this isn't a rant.&nbsp; I just found it hilarious that this kid hit on one of the big complaints with older versions of D&amp;D.&nbsp; I'm actually planning to fit his father with a Slayer since he's constantly overwhelmed with choices in our regular game.Quickleaf:&nbsp; First I have say that if you have a good group, and good play, and good trust, why use 4e?&nbsp; IMO you have the right makings to do something rules light and get away with it.&nbsp; The reality of 4e IMO is that it levels the playing board between those who grok RPGs and those who aren't so swift at it, those who are too aggressive about character optimization, and those who want to role play.&nbsp; It adds a level of consistency to the play which appears to be unnecessary to you.&nbsp; You could get away with what ever game you wanted.We recently had the odd problem of killing a Troll without any fire at hand.&nbsp; So my players improvised.&nbsp; They tossed him down a deep pit.&nbsp; I figure the Troll woke up about half way down.&nbsp; *Banff*</blockquote>

[QUOTE="UHF, post: 5358063, member: 95672"] I love 4e more than 4E, so it is with considerable humor that I must relay this true story. I've been teaching a crop of new players to play D&D using 4th Edition. There are lots of kids, 6-12 and a few adults. So, when the Red Box came out I dutifully told everyone to go out and get a copy and start playing. 1 month later... I call the father (the DM) of a few of the kids and start talking him through the various issues he's had. (Oh... and it does sound like they are all having fun... and the family is spending more time together.) He tells me that his son doesn't like the fighter and wants to know when his fighter will get more powers. After some discussion I explained the differences between 4e and 4E. Then I talked to his son about his Slayer. "All he can do is these stances, and I use them a lot, and this one encounter power that boosts his damage. He can't do anything!" [I]"Well, we've been playing full 4th edition, and Essentials characters are different. They are a lot like old D&D."[/I] "Does he get more powers?" [I]"No, not really."[/I] "But all I can do is hit it with my sword!" So... A 10 year old thinks Essentials sucks. Worse still, I doubt I could get him into an older style of game. Understand that this isn't a rant. I just found it hilarious that this kid hit on one of the big complaints with older versions of D&D. I'm actually planning to fit his father with a Slayer since he's constantly overwhelmed with choices in our regular game. Quickleaf: First I have say that if you have a good group, and good play, and good trust, why use 4e? IMO you have the right makings to do something rules light and get away with it. The reality of 4e IMO is that it levels the playing board between those who grok RPGs and those who aren't so swift at it, those who are too aggressive about character optimization, and those who want to role play. It adds a level of consistency to the play which appears to be unnecessary to you. You could get away with what ever game you wanted. We recently had the odd problem of killing a Troll without any fire at hand. So my players improvised. They tossed him down a deep pit. I figure the Troll woke up about half way down. *Banff* [/QUOTE]

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