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<blockquote data-quote="Saracenus" data-source="post: 5358135" data-attributes="member: 47839">4e has the answer to player creativity, in the DMG its on pg. 42 and in the D&amp;D Essentials DM's Book it is now on pg. 107-108. Without using powers you can set a DC and damage by level.Example, my 2nd level PC slides under a table that 3 kobold slingers stand upon and kicks the table up and over, spilling the kobold to the floor.My DM consults DM's Book pg. 107-108 and determines that its a STR vs. REF attack, the table is light and kobolds aren't very heavy either but since there is more than one its awkward , so Moderate DC 13, and if the attack is successful the kobolds will take 1d6+4 damage. Further my DM determines that if I succeed on the attack by 5 or more they are knocked prone.I have used my PC and the surrounding the environment to make an attack and there is a way to adjudicate it.Or, as someone has posted elsewhere, his assassin used his Executioner's Noose to grab a tall pedestal down on an opponent.This is just in combat, there are ways to use skills and abilities outside of combat as well. Its a matter of thinking beyond the basic write up and being creative.I think were core 4e fell down in this regard is that page after page of powers drowns out the short section on improvising.My two coppers,</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Saracenus, post: 5358135, member: 47839"] 4e has the answer to player creativity, in the [B][COLOR=Red]DMG[/COLOR][/B] its on pg. 42 and in the D&D Essentials DM's Book it is now on pg. 107-108. Without using powers you can set a DC and damage by level. Example, my 2nd level PC slides under a table that 3 kobold slingers stand upon and kicks the table up and over, spilling the kobold to the floor. My DM consults DM's Book pg. 107-108 and determines that its a STR vs. REF attack, the table is light and kobolds aren't very heavy either but since there is more than one its awkward , so Moderate DC 13, and if the attack is successful the kobolds will take 1d6+4 damage. Further my DM determines that if I succeed on the attack by 5 or more they are knocked prone. I have used my PC and the surrounding the environment to make an attack and there is a way to adjudicate it. Or, as someone has posted elsewhere, his assassin used his Executioner's Noose to grab a tall pedestal down on an opponent. This is just in combat, there are ways to use skills and abilities outside of combat as well. Its a matter of thinking beyond the basic write up and being creative. I think were core 4e fell down in this regard is that page after page of powers drowns out the short section on improvising. My two coppers, [/QUOTE]

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