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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Hexmage-EN" data-source="post: 8017494" data-attributes="member: 79428">That's pretty much how most of the gods worked in 4E's default setting.Even the Dawn War of 4E and the Founding Myth of Exandria can easily be interpreted as "the gods showed up, saw the world the primordials were making, created their own races to colonize it, and committed genocide against the primordials when they fought back against the divinely sponsored invasion".  Heck, maybe even some of the so-called Betrayer Gods joined the side of the primordials because they realized their counterparts among the Prime Deities were more-or-less colonialist conquerors.In particular, I find the Betrayer Gods category very suspect when it implies the Lawful Asmodeus and Bane were working alongside the likes of the Chaotic Lolth and Zehir. Plus, if Torog's origin in Exandria is anything like his origin in 4E, he was pretty much just a god of healing fighting a primordial in the Underdark during the war who was cursed by his opponent to be trapped in the Underdark, causing the other gods to assume he'd just died or something until he started going crazy and dragging whole cities underground to torture people. Couple that with the Exandrian lore that Torog was defeated by the Prime Deities in the Calamity and imprisoned in the Far Realm and you've got a very tragic backstory for a "Betrayer God".EDIT: I've hardly listened to any of Critical Role but I suddenly really want to pick Matt Mercer's brain concerning the Betrayer Gods and the Primordials. I don't guess anyone know if he does AMAs or anything? Maybe I should post a thread on the Critical Role reddit.</blockquote>

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