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<blockquote data-quote="MoonSong" data-source="post: 9722370" data-attributes="member: 6689464"><p>As I mentioned above, Aliens are essentially the same supernatural idea just cosplaying under a different coat of paint that makes it seem more plausible on a glance, but once you get into it a bit rationally, you notice it is very much not plausible if not outright impossible. (Because by trying to ground it with seemingly plausible claims, the claims themselves are open to being disproved and they don't hold*)</p><p></p><p>Because of this, my view is completely the opposite when you switch ghost to aliens. </p><p></p><p>* Nothing can reach the speed of light and distances in outer space are way beyond what we can grasp intuitively. Visitants from the stars would need to be able to travel for the equivalent of several lifetimes. Not that they would know where to go because any sign of life in our planet won't visible to most of the stars in the galaxy for many million years more (provided it can even be detected from that distance). Radio signals? they have only reached a handful of the closest stars to the sun. </p><p></p><p>Now on intelligent alien life, I don't think it has to exist. Evolution is random and aimless, and intelligence is very costly to develop and maintain for a species. (As proof, we are dumber than our ancestors from before agriculture, and the advent of AI and other pocketable high technology is making us dumber. The moment we can afford to be less smart, the moment we lose mental ability. Intelligence is costly, even now). If there is complex life out there, it is very unlikely to have developed into intelligent life. If intelligent life exists, why would it be necessarily as advanced as us? (Why would it necessarily be more advanced than us? Why would they wield essentially magic?).</p><p></p><p>And no, in this regard I get lots of appeals to the unknown (but you can't know how life could be in other planets, it doesn't need to be based on carbon and water which are among most abundant and reactive elements in the cosmos, it can be based on other elements that are less common and less reactive! Oh no, but they can have other laws of physics).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MoonSong, post: 9722370, member: 6689464"] As I mentioned above, Aliens are essentially the same supernatural idea just cosplaying under a different coat of paint that makes it seem more plausible on a glance, but once you get into it a bit rationally, you notice it is very much not plausible if not outright impossible. (Because by trying to ground it with seemingly plausible claims, the claims themselves are open to being disproved and they don't hold*) Because of this, my view is completely the opposite when you switch ghost to aliens. * Nothing can reach the speed of light and distances in outer space are way beyond what we can grasp intuitively. Visitants from the stars would need to be able to travel for the equivalent of several lifetimes. Not that they would know where to go because any sign of life in our planet won't visible to most of the stars in the galaxy for many million years more (provided it can even be detected from that distance). Radio signals? they have only reached a handful of the closest stars to the sun. Now on intelligent alien life, I don't think it has to exist. Evolution is random and aimless, and intelligence is very costly to develop and maintain for a species. (As proof, we are dumber than our ancestors from before agriculture, and the advent of AI and other pocketable high technology is making us dumber. The moment we can afford to be less smart, the moment we lose mental ability. Intelligence is costly, even now). If there is complex life out there, it is very unlikely to have developed into intelligent life. If intelligent life exists, why would it be necessarily as advanced as us? (Why would it necessarily be more advanced than us? Why would they wield essentially magic?). And no, in this regard I get lots of appeals to the unknown (but you can't know how life could be in other planets, it doesn't need to be based on carbon and water which are among most abundant and reactive elements in the cosmos, it can be based on other elements that are less common and less reactive! Oh no, but they can have other laws of physics). [/QUOTE]
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