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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Scion" data-source="post: 1223131" data-attributes="member: 5777">Either I didnt state my point clearly enough or you are ignoring it. No big deal either way, happens all the time <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />The gith gain, at max, the following+2 dex, +2 con, -2 wisdom (overall +2 stat adjustment)60 foot darkvisiondaze and mage hand 3/dayat 3rd level blur 3/dayat 6th level dimension door 3/dayat 9th level telekinesis 3/day and plane shift 1/dayspell resistance 5 + levelfavored class fighterNow, as I keep saying, those are some nice beanies. But as nice as they are are they worth the cost?Racial mods of the other race you could be+2 HD+2xcon mod+2 BAB (x modifier, but everyone seems to alreadry agree it would suck for casters no matter what) yeilds an extra attack 2/5 of the time+1 to good saves+2/3 to bad saves+2xskill points/level+2 max ranks for class skills+1 max rank for cross classed skills2/3 of a feat1/2 of a stat adjustment2 levels of class abilities - This is the really big one.You hit prestige classes later, you hit your class abilities later, you are behind by all of the above.Again, the powers are nice, but are they worth +2 LA? IMO not even close. At the levels you get most of these abilities they are cool and interesting, but generally behind the curve. 3 blurs at 5th level, 3 dim doors and 8th level, 3 tele at 11th, 1 plane shift at 11th, minor sr throughout.Its all cool stuff, but definately not all people are making it out to be. It isnt all that, it isnt the end all and be all, and not every fighter type would give up, 'their favorite testicle' as someone put it. Quite a few levels the non-gith will have an extra attack, more feats, a +1 to a stat of his choice. Plus being on the fast track to higher level cooler abilities. The above list shows that they are missing out on a lot of other cool things as well. If you feel that it is worth it,  so be it. I do not <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" /></blockquote>

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