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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Nonlethal Force" data-source="post: 3925336" data-attributes="member: 35788">And ... as someone who is now 32, I can honestly say that I see the world much differently than a decade ago.  Neither age is totally bad (or perfect, either) - just completely different!  Forty may be old to you, but I occasionally see 70 year olds playing their Wii.  Age does not force people into a "fun category."Actually, I only bought my first RPG book 3 years ago.  I may be 32, but I didn't start playing D&D seriously until I was almost in my 30's!  I truly started the game for the first time at almost 30 ... and I liked 3.x. And it has nothing to do with "tradition" or "grodnardism" ... just recognizing that I like a game.Also, I would imagine that the age group with the most disposable income is 25-30 (who are also unmarried and/or no kids).  All those aging grognard gamers who supposedly have all the cash really don't.  They're still paying off mortgages, paying for all their kids (braces, food, clothing, schooling, blah, blah, blah), and many still may be paying off school loans - especially if they went the second career route.  I'm not claiming that you are wrong, just saying that as I get older I am realizing that the years where I had the most money to spend on hobbies and not on bills was the first five years after college.  Then life got expensive! <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" />This I absolutely agree with.  And, I can say that the OP and I probably sit on the opposite side of the fence on the 4e thing.  I'm content with 3.x and am not converting to 4e.  Having said that, I'm also not doing much 4e bashing, either.  I'm actually really glad the hobby is moving on to 4e ... because it means I get to funnel my fun money in another direction and settle in with a game that is going to stabalize much more because the rules won't change with new supplements!But, I agree that games must evolve or die.  For example ... look at any classic boardgame.  Monopoly has branched out into how many varieties?  [They even have a variety out now with blank labels so that you can make your own spaces!]  Trivial Pursuit keeps updating.  Even Life has come into the 21st century.  Games must evolve and update their layout/rules/pictures/etc.  That is part of attracting a new audience.To take what the OP said one step further, I think what is best for the gaming is if the people looking forward to 4e would be understanding about the people who like 3.x and let them be comfortable staying put.  And ... the people who are staying put in 3.x should be content with 3.x and get over the fact that WotC is updating the game so that the people looking forward to 4e can do so with enjoyment!  I mean seriously - is it really the end of the world that I'm standing on the dock and waving goodbye to 4e as it sails off into the sunset?  And is it the end of the world that people who like 4e are essentially waving back at me happy to move on?  We should be able to have both groups coexist in peace.  Should ... of course ... does not always mean that we will, though.I agree wholeheartedly.  But at the same time, people don't need to feel the necessity to "convert" the people still in the stone age of prior editions.  If people quit slamming the old edition by talking about how bad it was and people quit slamming the new edition about how much it is going to screw things up - we'd be better off.Really, edition change is a study in human dynamics.  People will almost always gripe and moan before being happy.  Rather than being content with a "good edition" that they like, it's so much easier to slam the one you don't like.  Rather than step up, many people would rather push everyone else down.  Especially when edition wars break out.  Just my 2 cents, of course.</blockquote>

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