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<blockquote data-quote="JRRNeiklot" data-source="post: 3928490" data-attributes="member: 717"><p>I'm not quite a grognard, but I've been playing since about 1981 fairly steadily, with my first exposure coming in sporadic bursts in the late '70s.&nbsp; I also own almost every 3e product except for the last tier of stuff that I had absolutely zero interest in, the nine swords and Iron Might stuff, and about 50 or so non WOTC D20 books, yet I do not like 3e nor do I play it.&nbsp; But I can rob a 3e book of a prestige class and make a core class out of it for AD&amp;D.&nbsp; I can take interesting mechanics from Frost and Fur or a similar product and tack them on without all the extraneous stuff that I don't like about 3e.&nbsp; It doesn't look like I can do that with 4e.&nbsp; By the time I strip out all the per encounter stuff and Wowisms, and clerics healing by hitting people with an axe, I'll be down to the forward.&nbsp; So I won't be buying into 4e, and if I help to kill off D&amp;D, so be it.&nbsp; I see no reason to purchase a product I do not like.&nbsp; I do not like European football, so I could give a crap less if they do something to attract new players.&nbsp; Now, if they were to change the shape of the ball, and mark the field off in 10 yard increments, allow players to run with the ball, maybe add a set of posts connected by a crossbar to kick the ball over and still keep the name &quot;football&quot;, maybe I'd watch a game.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="JRRNeiklot, post: 3928490, member: 717"] I'm not quite a grognard, but I've been playing since about 1981 fairly steadily, with my first exposure coming in sporadic bursts in the late '70s. I also own almost every 3e product except for the last tier of stuff that I had absolutely zero interest in, the nine swords and Iron Might stuff, and about 50 or so non WOTC D20 books, yet I do not like 3e nor do I play it. But I can rob a 3e book of a prestige class and make a core class out of it for AD&D. I can take interesting mechanics from Frost and Fur or a similar product and tack them on without all the extraneous stuff that I don't like about 3e. It doesn't look like I can do that with 4e. By the time I strip out all the per encounter stuff and Wowisms, and clerics healing by hitting people with an axe, I'll be down to the forward. So I won't be buying into 4e, and if I help to kill off D&D, so be it. I see no reason to purchase a product I do not like. I do not like European football, so I could give a crap less if they do something to attract new players. Now, if they were to change the shape of the ball, and mark the field off in 10 yard increments, allow players to run with the ball, maybe add a set of posts connected by a crossbar to kick the ball over and still keep the name "football", maybe I'd watch a game. [/QUOTE]

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