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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3933126" data-attributes="member: 15999">They can't just clean it up for the sake of streamlining it, because everybody knows they'll once again bog it down with splatbook power creep.&nbsp; Fool me once, shame on you.&nbsp; Fool me twice, shame on me.D&amp;D has already had a massive revamp that was conducted in large part to clean up 2.0/2.5, which had &quot;grown into an unwieldy beast with a mountain of supplements and new rules.&quot;&nbsp; Power creep and increased complexity had led me away from 2E; I had flipped through Skills &amp; Powers but never bought it.3E comes along and it is much streamlined.&nbsp; A simplified mechanical system and a more elegant multiclassing system were good enough that I could tolerate the return of the half-orc, monk, and barbarian, none of which I really welcomed.&nbsp; I loved MANY of the mechanical changes that made 3E simpler and/or more like the BD&amp;D I grew up on.&nbsp; No more weapon speed, modifiers vs. armors, or different damage vs. large opponents; ability score charts much more like BD&amp;D; no exceptional strength.&nbsp; But then the same thing happened again, the splatbook power creep and increasing complexity.If WotC were now to admit &quot;Yeah, 3E made the same mistake that 2E did with splatbook power creep and increasing complexity, so we have 4E to clean all that up,&quot; you KNOW the response would be &quot;But you're just going to do it again in 4E.&quot;&nbsp; Splatbooks sell.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3933126, member: 15999"] They can't just clean it up for the sake of streamlining it, because everybody knows they'll once again bog it down with splatbook power creep. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. D&D has already had a massive revamp that was conducted in large part to clean up 2.0/2.5, which had "grown into an unwieldy beast with a mountain of supplements and new rules." Power creep and increased complexity had led me away from 2E; I had flipped through Skills & Powers but never bought it. 3E comes along and it is much streamlined. A simplified mechanical system and a more elegant multiclassing system were good enough that I could tolerate the return of the half-orc, monk, and barbarian, none of which I really welcomed. I loved MANY of the mechanical changes that made 3E simpler and/or more like the BD&D I grew up on. No more weapon speed, modifiers vs. armors, or different damage vs. large opponents; ability score charts much more like BD&D; no exceptional strength. But then the same thing happened again, the splatbook power creep and increasing complexity. If WotC were now to admit "Yeah, 3E made the same mistake that 2E did with splatbook power creep and increasing complexity, so we have 4E to clean all that up," you KNOW the response would be "But you're just going to do it again in 4E." Splatbooks sell. [/QUOTE]

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