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<blockquote data-quote="BobTheNob" data-source="post: 4668340" data-attributes="member: 82425">The whole &quot;long term effects&quot; is a thing of the past with 4th edition. The conventions completely changed to an entirely new paradigm. I found the hardest thing to be letting go of 3.5 and embracing the now philosophy, but I found once I embraced it I loved it!&nbsp;So many of the things that plum gave me the $&amp;*#s from 3.5 (overly long charm effects included) are non issues because the paradigm shifts eliminate these cheesy game issues. Durations are short! Yea!&nbsp;With most things, naming conventions come forward (Magic missile is still there <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f631.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":o" title="Eek!&nbsp; &nbsp; :o"&nbsp; data-smilie="9"data-shortname=":o" />) but implementation is entirely different.&nbsp;&nbsp;This is an excellent interpretation of how charm person would work in 4th edition (Didnt like the &quot;special&quot; section, but loved just the bit quoted...please dont flame me <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink&nbsp; &nbsp; ;)"&nbsp; data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />)</blockquote>

[QUOTE="BobTheNob, post: 4668340, member: 82425"] The whole "long term effects" is a thing of the past with 4th edition. The conventions completely changed to an entirely new paradigm. I found the hardest thing to be letting go of 3.5 and embracing the now philosophy, but I found once I embraced it I loved it! So many of the things that plum gave me the $&*#s from 3.5 (overly long charm effects included) are non issues because the paradigm shifts eliminate these cheesy game issues. Durations are short! Yea! With most things, naming conventions come forward (Magic missile is still there :o) but implementation is entirely different. This is an excellent interpretation of how charm person would work in 4th edition (Didnt like the "special" section, but loved just the bit quoted...please dont flame me ;)) [/QUOTE]

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