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<blockquote data-quote="Mercule" data-source="post: 6823735" data-attributes="member: 5100">The errata is beside the point, really. I just think it's silly to have no mechanism for using unarmed strikes with Sneak Attack. I guess my commentary on the errata is that 5E started with a bad restriction and the errata his moved it the wrong direction.I'm fine with vanilla unarmed strikes being &quot;non-weapons&quot;. There should be some sort of feat or other designation for exceptional unarmed fighting ability. What makes the most sense is that most people aren't actually proficient with unarmed attacks. That said, I can also see a middle ground of proficient without turning into a krav maga black belt. Monks definitely deserve a gold star next to their unarmed strike of &quot;Counts as a light, finesse weapon at the player's option. In any round used as a weapon, the character is not considered to have a free hand for spell-casting and other purposes. Always counts as a weapon if ki-based attacks are used in a round.&quot; You could create a feat to add the same benefit to non-monk characters, but it's somewhat anemic on its own and I'm not sure what other benefits it'd give. Maybe just grant it to Monk and anyone who wants to do ninja sleeper holds can try to talk their GM into allowing multi-classing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mercule, post: 6823735, member: 5100"] The errata is beside the point, really. I just think it's silly to have no mechanism for using unarmed strikes with Sneak Attack. I guess my commentary on the errata is that 5E started with a bad restriction and the errata his moved it the wrong direction. I'm fine with vanilla unarmed strikes being "non-weapons". There should be some sort of feat or other designation for exceptional unarmed fighting ability. What makes the most sense is that most people aren't actually proficient with unarmed attacks. That said, I can also see a middle ground of proficient without turning into a krav maga black belt. Monks definitely deserve a gold star next to their unarmed strike of "Counts as a light, finesse weapon at the player's option. In any round used as a weapon, the character is [U]not[/U] considered to have a free hand for spell-casting and other purposes. Always counts as a weapon if ki-based attacks are used in a round." You could create a feat to add the same benefit to non-monk characters, but it's somewhat anemic on its own and I'm not sure what other benefits it'd give. Maybe just grant it to Monk and anyone who wants to do ninja sleeper holds can try to talk their GM into allowing multi-classing. [/QUOTE]

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