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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8515202" data-attributes="member: 42856">Same here. And same with the answer upthread about "secret technique". If NPC warriors from the Sheng empire can cast fireball once per day, and I am told that I should enroll in a Sheng garrison for a few years to learn it... DM, be prepared to have the campaign about the group passing as a recruit and knocking at the nearest garrison to learn it (certainly quicker than the average Joe) before resuming standard adventuring activity. At best, have a subclass of Sheng warriors for the fighter if something happen... "my next character will be a Sheng deserter joining the good side. Can I cast fireball?" Heroes being heroes means that they should achieve what they strive to do. It can include, and in my experience often include, becoming the best at something. "Your Kung Fu is too weak for the overwhelming NPC stance!" wouldn't fly with me...This is especially true of wizards.Often, by prying it from the cold, dead hands of the aforementionned NPC.I am "by default" on the camp that NPC and PC should follow the same rules, if only because it avoids situations like that. In 3.5, some prestige classes had fluff requirement. So, taking a level in Sheng Dragon Warrior requires sacrificing your father or mother to Sheng the firebreather fiend as a proof of loyalty? Well, maybe as a PC, I'll pass this time, but maybe not, the option to achieve it is available (and 5,000 gp diamonds only cost 5,000 gp after all). They don't technically need to follow the same rules, as long as a display of power should be replicatable by the PCs if they put their effort toward it. Having things be the exclusive purview of NPCs doesn't sound good to me. Even if it's supernatural ability to create matchstick replica of the Eiffel Tower blindfolded. And all the more if it's a ritual to kill a whole town in their sleep and waking them as zombies. The PC necromancer will want to study that. Maybe not to use it, just to be able to adjudicate if the drawbacks are worth the benefits.On Lyxen's example of Voldemort, I am pretty sure PC Hermione can totally create a horcrux if she devotes some time to it. It's not an unknown or lost knowledge (Slughorn and Dumbledore seem to know enough about them), it's just that killing is needed and it's certainly akin to the unforgiveable curse. But the "you really shouldn't do that" argument isn't the same as "sorry, it's an NPC thing".</blockquote>

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