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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 8515864" data-attributes="member: 22779">LOL.&nbsp; Are you serious?&nbsp; A &quot;moral obligation&quot;?&nbsp; There are lots and lots of things that are moral obligations.&nbsp; This is not one of them.Only if it was a human or demi-human.&nbsp; Not if it was an orc or a hobgoblin.&nbsp; Why did NPC MU's have to follow those rules, but, an orc didn't?&nbsp; Orcs and hobgoblins in no way actually reference any levels at all.&nbsp; Even the picture that you posted above only lists the levels for a HUMAN NPC.&nbsp; How much XP was that human NPC worth if you fought and killed it?&nbsp; Oh, that's right, no one actually knows because it would never be listed anywhere and you had to basically just make it up.&nbsp; Was a 5th level elven fighter worth more or less xp than a 5th level human one?&nbsp; After all, that elf has infra vision, which should make it worth more xp according to the rules.&nbsp; Who knows?So, I only had to wait twenty years for that to come out?&nbsp; Fiend Folio, where I find the Death Knight capable of casting fireball in plate mail, gets released in 1981, Dragon 222 in 1995.&nbsp; Guess I only had to wait 14 years.&nbsp; Apparently it's a class though.&nbsp; Amazing how you knew that it was a death knight class over a decade in advance.&nbsp; Yeah, pretty much standard revisionist history.&nbsp; And, sorry, but, I was gaming back then too.&nbsp; Started in 1980, to be honest.&nbsp; So, instead of presuming to tell me about &quot;the way things were&quot;, howzabout sticking to facts?&nbsp; And, frankly, so far, &quot;everybody&quot; is two people, you and [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER].&nbsp; See, I'm not pretending like my play preferences were somehow &quot;the way things were&quot;.&nbsp; I'm not the one making claims.&nbsp; I'm the one holding up a big sign that says, &quot;NOPE.&quot;&nbsp; The &quot;facts&quot; that have been presented - that it was standard for PC's and NPC's to follow the same rules from AD&amp;D to 3e and then into 5e simply isn't true.&nbsp; 3e did that, very clearly.&nbsp; But AD&amp;D?&nbsp; Nope, barely at all.&nbsp; The only rules that got applied to NPC's was if the enemy was a human or demi-human.&nbsp; If it wasn't?&nbsp; Then all bets were off.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 8515864, member: 22779"] LOL. Are you serious? A "moral obligation"? There are lots and lots of things that are moral obligations. This is not one of them. Only if it was a human or demi-human. Not if it was an orc or a hobgoblin. Why did NPC MU's have to follow those rules, but, an orc didn't? Orcs and hobgoblins in no way actually reference any levels at all. Even the picture that you posted above only lists the levels for a HUMAN NPC. How much XP was that human NPC worth if you fought and killed it? Oh, that's right, no one actually knows because it would never be listed anywhere and you had to basically just make it up. Was a 5th level elven fighter worth more or less xp than a 5th level human one? After all, that elf has infra vision, which should make it worth more xp according to the rules. Who knows? So, I only had to wait twenty years for that to come out? Fiend Folio, where I find the Death Knight capable of casting fireball in plate mail, gets released in 1981, Dragon 222 in 1995. Guess I only had to wait 14 years. Apparently it's a class though. Amazing how you knew that it was a death knight class over a decade in advance. Yeah, pretty much standard revisionist history. And, sorry, but, I was gaming back then too. Started in 1980, to be honest. So, instead of presuming to tell me about "the way things were", howzabout sticking to facts? And, frankly, so far, "everybody" is two people, you and [USER=6855114]@Helldritch[/USER]. See, I'm not pretending like my play preferences were somehow "the way things were". I'm not the one making claims. I'm the one holding up a big sign that says, "NOPE." The "facts" that have been presented - that it was standard for PC's and NPC's to follow the same rules from AD&D to 3e and then into 5e simply isn't true. 3e did that, very clearly. But AD&D? Nope, barely at all. The only rules that got applied to NPC's was if the enemy was a human or demi-human. If it wasn't? Then all bets were off. [/QUOTE]

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