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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8516272" data-attributes="member: 7032025">There is no problem, it's not that hard to come by anyway, D&amp;D is designed as a heroic/mythic game (although you can certainly play it differently), so having mythic/legendary/divine/ancestry/whatever reasons is perfectly in line with the genre.While I agree that it would be dumb and annoying for a DM to present it that way, as mentioned above, any reasonable DM can come up with reasonable explanations in a wink.I don't know, Demon Lords and Archdevils have many powers, is the DM contriving to keep them out of the hands of the PC/Players ? The players at our tables are certainly not feeling this way.I mostly think we were (as is often the case on these forums) speaking past each other's head, you seem mostly to be hand up on a DM saying bluntly &quot;It's a NPC power&quot;, not about the underlying principle that there could be some, if there is the right explanation.So it's a NPC power then. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />You can always have rules-breaking items and further rules, but the potion is specified not to work on animals and creates a real problem when tried. In any case, it would be quite different.It depends, some books have clearer and more robust magic systems by far.Matter of taste, probably, which ones did you try ?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8516272, member: 7032025"] There is no problem, it's not that hard to come by anyway, D&D is designed as a heroic/mythic game (although you can certainly play it differently), so having mythic/legendary/divine/ancestry/whatever reasons is perfectly in line with the genre. While I agree that it would be dumb and annoying for a DM to present it that way, as mentioned above, any reasonable DM can come up with reasonable explanations in a wink. I don't know, Demon Lords and Archdevils have many powers, is the DM contriving to keep them out of the hands of the PC/Players ? The players at our tables are certainly not feeling this way. I mostly think we were (as is often the case on these forums) speaking past each other's head, you seem mostly to be hand up on a DM saying bluntly "It's a NPC power", not about the underlying principle that there could be some, if there is the right explanation. So it's a NPC power then. :p You can always have rules-breaking items and further rules, but the potion is specified not to work on animals and creates a real problem when tried. In any case, it would be quite different. It depends, some books have clearer and more robust magic systems by far. Matter of taste, probably, which ones did you try ? [/QUOTE]

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