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<blockquote data-quote="Jfdlsjfd" data-source="post: 8517393" data-attributes="member: 42856">I don't think balance can be used as a satisfying explanation. If a swashbuckler-like enemy disarmed two opponents in the same whirlwind disarm attack, I can't see the characters wondering where to learn this trick and just saying&nbsp; around the campgire at the end of the day &quot;it would be unbalanced for us to learn it, let's pursue other endeavours&quot;. Maybe they killed the last of a long line of master swordmaster and the secret perished with him... but I am 100% sure of whzt thzt explanation would produce. &quot;Let's amputate his head so we can ask the details as soon as we get Speak with Dead!&quot;. Wanting to lean lost and forbidden knowledge isn't the sole trope of wizards. The answer could very well be &quot;find a master and your next level of fighter will allow you to take it instead of such and such class feature&quot; or the social or moral consequences could stop the PC... but a hard block would feel very much like railroading. And the more if the technisue appears to be mundane or similar in origin to one of the PCs' own. (if an archmage cast a spell, at some point the group wizard can expect to grow in knowledge and become able to cast the same spell).I am speaking of leanrnable abilities here not &quot;grow a tentacle or srpout wings&quot;. If I wanted to keep it extremely separated I'd probably implement an in-story reason like @jgsungden did.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jfdlsjfd, post: 8517393, member: 42856"] I don't think balance can be used as a satisfying explanation. If a swashbuckler-like enemy disarmed two opponents in the same whirlwind disarm attack, I can't see the characters wondering where to learn this trick and just saying around the campgire at the end of the day "it would be unbalanced for us to learn it, let's pursue other endeavours". Maybe they killed the last of a long line of master swordmaster and the secret perished with him... but I am 100% sure of whzt thzt explanation would produce. "Let's amputate his head so we can ask the details as soon as we get Speak with Dead!". Wanting to lean lost and forbidden knowledge isn't the sole trope of wizards. The answer could very well be "find a master and your next level of fighter will allow you to take it instead of such and such class feature" or the social or moral consequences could stop the PC... but a hard block would feel very much like railroading. And the more if the technisue appears to be mundane or similar in origin to one of the PCs' own. (if an archmage cast a spell, at some point the group wizard can expect to grow in knowledge and become able to cast the same spell). I am speaking of leanrnable abilities here not "grow a tentacle or srpout wings". If I wanted to keep it extremely separated I'd probably implement an in-story reason like @jgsungden did. [/QUOTE]

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