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<blockquote data-quote="NotAYakk" data-source="post: 8517849" data-attributes="member: 72555">The Veteran is a monster similar to a 5th level fighter.An 14 con L 5 fighter with the Tough feat has 10+6*4+4*5=54 HP.&nbsp; The Veteran has 58 HP.The L 5 fighter with 16 strength has a +6 to hit and attacks for 1d8+5 damage per swing one handed (Dueling) x2.&nbsp; If they have 2 shortswords they instead attack for 1d6+3 times 3.This nearly exactly matches the Veteran. The LS Veteran version does 2d10+6 (17) vs the Fighter LS 2d8+10 (19). The SS Veteran does 3d6+9 (19.5), same as Fighter.The L 5 fighter has second wind (1d10+5) and an action surge on top of the Veteran and 1 additional point of proficiency.So, literally, if you dropped a L 5 fighter into a game you could get a fight that was nearly indistinguishable on the PC side from using a stock Monster Manual Veteran.&nbsp; You could also build the Fighter to be less meaty and more aggressive.I mean, action surge ain't nothing.&nbsp; The Veteran is probably closer to a L 4.5 fighter.HP including Second Wind: 44 + 5.5 + 4 = 54Cut Action Surge for +1 attack/round (a bit of an upgrade; over a 3 round fight, it is 6 attacks instead of 4).Lose a point of proficiency.Lose saving throw proficiency.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="NotAYakk, post: 8517849, member: 72555"] The Veteran is a monster similar to a 5th level fighter. An 14 con L 5 fighter with the Tough feat has 10+6*4+4*5=54 HP. The Veteran has 58 HP. The L 5 fighter with 16 strength has a +6 to hit and attacks for 1d8+5 damage per swing one handed (Dueling) x2. If they have 2 shortswords they instead attack for 1d6+3 times 3. This [B]nearly exactly matches the Veteran[/B]. The LS Veteran version does 2d10+6 (17) vs the Fighter LS 2d8+10 (19). The SS Veteran does 3d6+9 (19.5), same as Fighter. The L 5 fighter has second wind (1d10+5) and an action surge on top of the Veteran and 1 additional point of proficiency. So, literally, if you dropped a L 5 fighter into a game you could get a fight that was nearly indistinguishable on the PC side from using a stock Monster Manual Veteran. You could also build the Fighter to be less meaty and more aggressive. I mean, action surge ain't nothing. The Veteran is probably closer to a L 4.5 fighter. HP including Second Wind: 44 + 5.5 + 4 = 54 Cut Action Surge for +1 attack/round (a bit of an upgrade; over a 3 round fight, it is 6 attacks instead of 4). Lose a point of proficiency. Lose saving throw proficiency. [/QUOTE]

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