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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 5379602" data-attributes="member: 7006"><p>My biggest issue with Kzach's point is the idea that unliked new items can discredit and retroactively change your opinion about old ones.</p><p></p><p>What I mean by this is that *if* you enjoyed playing 4E just fine when it was those first couple months and all we had was the first Player's Handbook, DMG, and monster Manual... there's absolutely no reason why you just can't continue to play using these three books <em>if that is what you liked</em>.</p><p></p><p>But to use the excuse that because the online Character Builder (or DDI in general, or the pages of errata, or Martial Power II) changes things in a way that you don't like, you now can no longer enjoy <em>the old stuff you used to</em>... I just find silly.</p><p></p><p>Now believe me... I certainly understand and have had it happen to me when I bought too many supplements to a game that (when added to the base game) made the composite too unwieldy and just not as much fun. Talisman is a perfectly example in my own personal case. But at no point after adding in Talisman The Adventure, Talisman City, Talisman Dungeon and finally Talisman Timescape and finding that I now longer took as much enjoyment out of playing this composite game... did I ever say "Well, I can't play Talisman anymore! The game is ruined!".</p><p></p><p>Instead... I just removed those expansions that did not help me fulfill my desires for an excellent Talisman game. Which meant some things from some expansions stayed in... many other things were purged.</p><p></p><p>So to basically throw away something completely that you actually enjoyed, because you have currently tricked it out too far... I just can't understand. It seems like such a waste. And I think it's a very good indication of you, Kzach... that perhaps you need to be extra vigilant in what you "add" to things, if this is your reaction to them when you've gone too far.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 5379602, member: 7006"] My biggest issue with Kzach's point is the idea that unliked new items can discredit and retroactively change your opinion about old ones. What I mean by this is that *if* you enjoyed playing 4E just fine when it was those first couple months and all we had was the first Player's Handbook, DMG, and monster Manual... there's absolutely no reason why you just can't continue to play using these three books [I]if that is what you liked[/I]. But to use the excuse that because the online Character Builder (or DDI in general, or the pages of errata, or Martial Power II) changes things in a way that you don't like, you now can no longer enjoy [I]the old stuff you used to[/I]... I just find silly. Now believe me... I certainly understand and have had it happen to me when I bought too many supplements to a game that (when added to the base game) made the composite too unwieldy and just not as much fun. Talisman is a perfectly example in my own personal case. But at no point after adding in Talisman The Adventure, Talisman City, Talisman Dungeon and finally Talisman Timescape and finding that I now longer took as much enjoyment out of playing this composite game... did I ever say "Well, I can't play Talisman anymore! The game is ruined!". Instead... I just removed those expansions that did not help me fulfill my desires for an excellent Talisman game. Which meant some things from some expansions stayed in... many other things were purged. So to basically throw away something completely that you actually enjoyed, because you have currently tricked it out too far... I just can't understand. It seems like such a waste. And I think it's a very good indication of you, Kzach... that perhaps you need to be extra vigilant in what you "add" to things, if this is your reaction to them when you've gone too far. [/QUOTE]
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