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<blockquote data-quote="jaer" data-source="post: 4237978" data-attributes="member: 57861">Does it?&nbsp; It sounded like this would be something going on DURING the last fight, not before it.&nbsp; Unless in my quick read of the end battle left me missing who the end boss actually was.I thought this skill challange was designed to ruin the ritual and thus save the day even if combat was lost: if the skill challenge succeeded, but the Big K got away, the PCs still won because his plans were completely thwarted.This skill challenge seems to cover the event that, as the warlord and fighter engage the bad guys, the wizard has the clever idea of &quot;while they are in a fight and away from the book, I'll go close the portal!&quot; So the wizard and cleric are doing this during combat, but all the actions are free actions and minor actions, so it's not preventing them from being meaningful in combat.I would think that once the rift is described, there would be no need to mention that there is a skill challenge available unless the players declare they want to close it, at which point the arcane or religion skill could be used.&nbsp; The endurance check would be indicated once the portal attacked the players, and I would reveal the heal check after the first successful arcane or religion check (&quot;you think you can help close the rift by defusing the necrotic energies with life energy&quot;).The reward for success is that the PCs have a better ending in that they did more.&nbsp; It sounds likes this is a Win+ (perhaps award more XP for that as a bonus quest reward?&nbsp; Or more treasure or something?) as opposed to just winning the battle and getting a Win.&nbsp; If the skill challenge is lost, the players suffer a little backlash from it, but it does not impair their ability to score a full Win.&nbsp; Failing this challenge but winning the fight should leave them in the same place as simply winning the fight.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jaer, post: 4237978, member: 57861"] Does it? It sounded like this would be something going on DURING the last fight, not before it. Unless in my quick read of the end battle left me missing who the end boss actually was. I thought this skill challange was designed to ruin the ritual and thus save the day even if combat was lost: if the skill challenge succeeded, but the Big K got away, the PCs still won because his plans were completely thwarted. This skill challenge seems to cover the event that, as the warlord and fighter engage the bad guys, the wizard has the clever idea of "while they are in a fight and away from the book, I'll go close the portal!" So the wizard and cleric are doing this during combat, but all the actions are free actions and minor actions, so it's not preventing them from being meaningful in combat. I would think that once the rift is described, there would be no need to mention that there is a skill challenge available unless the players declare they want to close it, at which point the arcane or religion skill could be used. The endurance check would be indicated once the portal attacked the players, and I would reveal the heal check after the first successful arcane or religion check ("you think you can help close the rift by defusing the necrotic energies with life energy"). The reward for success is that the PCs have a better ending in that they did more. It sounds likes this is a Win+ (perhaps award more XP for that as a bonus quest reward? Or more treasure or something?) as opposed to just winning the battle and getting a Win. If the skill challenge is lost, the players suffer a little backlash from it, but it does not impair their ability to score a full Win. Failing this challenge but winning the fight should leave them in the same place as simply winning the fight. [/QUOTE]

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