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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thomas Shey" data-source="post: 9653436" data-attributes="member: 7026617">I tell you the truth; I think you have to like other elements of 3e a whole lot to last long enough to build up that kind of second-nature reaction to the things I'm talking about.  I accept its possible for at least some people to get over that hill, but I'll just note its far from a small hill.  It finished off my experience GMing 3e, and I'm far from intolerant to heavy-mechanics games.I don't think that was ever as common as some people think; even back in the days when i had a couple of game systems people knew well and I used repeatedly, there were other games we used as need seemed.Yeah, but in older versions of D&D higher level play if it existed at all was clearly an afterthought and required really long use of the extent characters to happen.  In 3e this was clearly not the intended function; it just worked out that way for a lot of people because it became progressively problematic to run the game after about 12th level.  Its clearly a failure state for the system because it comes up pretty constantly as to why people bailed out of it when they did.</blockquote>