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<blockquote data-quote="discosoc" data-source="post: 6728890" data-attributes="member: 6801554">Players who see their own rolls are fine, but there are times when you don't even want them to know a roll is being made.&nbsp; It's like the classic scenario where they walk into a room and you have everyone roll &quot;perception&quot; and then everyone fails.&nbsp; They know something is there, but didn't see it, so everyone will try to come up with stupid ways to search the room without just coming out and saying that they are metagaming to find whatever it was they missed.With social interaction, it can be the same way.&nbsp; Maybe an NPC is lying, but asking each player to roll &quot;insight&quot; basically tells them that something is off regardless of the check result.&nbsp; You want to be able to roll these things without tipping your hat.&nbsp; Some GM's pre-roll a block of numbers to reference before the session, and add the appropriate modifier when he needs a new &quot;secret&quot; roll.&nbsp; I personally use a dice roller on my phone for these checks (they really aren't common) since it's completely silent and doesn't signal that I'm actually rolling something.&nbsp; In both cases, you obviously need to know the players skill numbers beforehand, but that's something you should know as a GM anyway, IMO.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="discosoc, post: 6728890, member: 6801554"] Players who see their own rolls are fine, but there are times when you don't even want them to know a roll is being made. It's like the classic scenario where they walk into a room and you have everyone roll "perception" and then everyone fails. They know something is there, but didn't see it, so everyone will try to come up with stupid ways to search the room without just coming out and saying that they are metagaming to find whatever it was they missed. With social interaction, it can be the same way. Maybe an NPC is lying, but asking each player to roll "insight" basically tells them that something is off regardless of the check result. You want to be able to roll these things without tipping your hat. Some GM's pre-roll a block of numbers to reference before the session, and add the appropriate modifier when he needs a new "secret" roll. I personally use a dice roller on my phone for these checks (they really aren't common) since it's completely silent and doesn't signal that I'm actually rolling something. In both cases, you obviously need to know the players skill numbers beforehand, but that's something you should know as a GM anyway, IMO. [/QUOTE]

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