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<blockquote data-quote="WarpedAcorn" data-source="post: 7327757" data-attributes="member: 6819400">As someone who has DM'd the majority of the games I've been a part of since the early 90's, I haven't really experienced this. I have seen players make some highly specialized characters that do exceedingly well under certain conditions, but I've never run into a player that makes it pointless for anyone to do anything else.I remember one player in 3.0 Living Greyhawk who was a &quot;Cavalier&quot; (Paladin with all the Mounted Combat Feats). He could do incredible damage, move like the wind, and was near impossible to hit...on his horse. I have a Barbarian who has so much health and does so much damage that he is harder to kill than the Eldritch Knight rocking 27 AC with Shield spell...and both have found themselves on the south side of Will Saves. Then there was the guy who played an 70-year old Cleric (bonus to mental stats) who was pure Support and powergamed to be the best Support character ever (and he definitely was)...and lacked in the physical department for it.My point is that I have never encountered an instance of a Powergamer &quot;ruining&quot; a game at my table. Do I feel its ruining the suspense when my monsters can't hit a group full of people with high AC? Absolutely. But I also notice the player grin when I ask if a 24 will hit. He can have that...then next round I hit him with a Hold Person. There is always something a DM can do to challenge his players. If a powergamer has mastery over combat, then throw in situations that require a skillmonkey, or a riddle for the players, or player specific story arcs to shine the light on people you think are getting marginalized. The only issue I've ever had are with a few players who cheated their dice rolls. But as for powergamers who exploit the rules to make the best character they can, I've never had an issue.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="WarpedAcorn, post: 7327757, member: 6819400"] As someone who has DM'd the majority of the games I've been a part of since the early 90's, I haven't really experienced this. I have seen players make some highly specialized characters that do exceedingly well under certain conditions, but I've never run into a player that makes it pointless for anyone to do anything else. I remember one player in 3.0 Living Greyhawk who was a "Cavalier" (Paladin with all the Mounted Combat Feats). He could do incredible damage, move like the wind, and was near impossible to hit...on his horse. I have a Barbarian who has so much health and does so much damage that he is harder to kill than the Eldritch Knight rocking 27 AC with Shield spell...and both have found themselves on the south side of Will Saves. Then there was the guy who played an 70-year old Cleric (bonus to mental stats) who was pure Support and powergamed to be the best Support character ever (and he definitely was)...and lacked in the physical department for it. My point is that I have never encountered an instance of a Powergamer "ruining" a game at my table. Do I feel its ruining the suspense when my monsters can't hit a group full of people with high AC? Absolutely. But I also notice the player grin when I ask if a 24 will hit. He can have that...then next round I hit him with a Hold Person. There is always something a DM can do to challenge his players. If a powergamer has mastery over combat, then throw in situations that require a skillmonkey, or a riddle for the players, or player specific story arcs to shine the light on people you think are getting marginalized. The only issue I've ever had are with a few players who cheated their dice rolls. But as for powergamers who exploit the rules to make the best character they can, I've never had an issue. [/QUOTE]

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