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<blockquote data-quote="Greg K" data-source="post: 7330055" data-attributes="member: 5038">I agree with you so far. Optimizing is not the same as powergaming. Optimizing is simply a tool that can be used for several goals.Here I disagree except for where you state, &quot;If you are optimizing your character you are not necessarily powergaming.&quot;&nbsp; Powergaming is simply the primary motivation for playing, which is play someone powerful or with the primary goal of obtaining power as defined by the game.&nbsp; In D&amp;D, if you the player is their character sucks because they have a below average stat or several stats below some above average number, the person is engaging in powergaming. If the player's focus of the game is on leveling to obtain bigger bonuses, new powers, and treasure so their character more powerful by leveling so as to acquire bigger bonuses, new powers, and treasures (repeat process), that is a form of powergaming. The player does not need to engage in optimization at all.&nbsp; However, optimizing sure helps make the latter more goal easier for powergamers why many powergamers will use optimization to achieve their goals.* Similarly, they do not need to treat the game like cheat codes or bugs.*Actually, powergaming is on a continuum rather than being absolute and most players engage in and optimze for it to some degree even if they don't realize it. The person in AD&amp;D whom places their highest score in Wisdom, because it gives more bonus spells , the 3e player whom puts their wizard's highest score in Intelligence to increase their save difficulty and gain access to higher level spells, and the fighter player whom puts his highest ability in strength so as to gain a higher to hit and damage bonus are all engaging in powergaming at some level ( the last player may be optimizing toward butt-kicking and/or powergaming.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Greg K, post: 7330055, member: 5038"] I agree with you so far. Optimizing is not the same as powergaming. Optimizing is simply a tool that can be used for several goals. Here I disagree except for where you state, "If you are optimizing your character you are not necessarily powergaming." Powergaming is simply the primary motivation for playing, which is play someone powerful or with the primary goal of obtaining power as defined by the game. In D&D, if you the player is their character sucks because they have a below average stat or several stats below some above average number, the person is engaging in powergaming. If the player's focus of the game is on leveling to obtain bigger bonuses, new powers, and treasure so their character more powerful by leveling so as to acquire bigger bonuses, new powers, and treasures (repeat process), that is a form of powergaming. The player does not need to engage in optimization at all. However, optimizing sure helps make the latter more goal easier for powergamers why many powergamers will use optimization to achieve their goals.* Similarly, they do not need to treat the game like cheat codes or bugs. *Actually, powergaming is on a continuum rather than being absolute and most players engage in and optimze for it to some degree even if they don't realize it. The person in AD&D whom places their highest score in Wisdom, because it gives more bonus spells , the 3e player whom puts their wizard's highest score in Intelligence to increase their save difficulty and gain access to higher level spells, and the fighter player whom puts his highest ability in strength so as to gain a higher to hit and damage bonus are all engaging in powergaming at some level ( the last player may be optimizing toward butt-kicking and/or powergaming. [/QUOTE]

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