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<blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 7330838" data-attributes="member: 6795602">1.&nbsp; If dominating the game at all costs is powergaming then I doubt there exists a single power gamer.2.&nbsp; Power Gamers of any definition do enjoy the challenges of the game.&nbsp; For them pwning the bad guys is a good chunk of the enjoyment.&nbsp; If the bad guys ever ramp up and get on their level then they enjoy the feeling being a very important part of overcoming this new harder challenge.Something for other players to consider.&nbsp; When you are playing with a &quot;power gamer&quot; don't try to compete with him in whatever sphere he is looking to optimize for.&nbsp; Instead find something else you can do well and make a character that does that instead.For example.&nbsp; I played in a game where there was a super tanky and DPR dealing barbarian.&nbsp; I figured my best option was to basically ignore combat and focus on one of the other pillars.&nbsp; So I made a sorcerer that was nearly totally focused on the social pillar.&nbsp; I hardly ever cast offensive spells.&nbsp; I contributed in combat with my dagger or my firebolt but it was a measly contribution.&nbsp; The other characters were a cleric, a rogue and a bard.&nbsp; No one envied the barbarian in combat.&nbsp; We talked about how awesome he was and how much we needed him in combats.&nbsp; Most all of us had our own out of combat stuff we were good at that the barbarian had no chance of helping at.&nbsp; In other words, envy and jealousy and anger at the optimized character making your not as optimized character in the same pillar feel like a sidekick is probably the bigger problem.&nbsp; The power gamer isn't responsible for your emotions but he gets the blame for them.&nbsp; In other words, the solution is to not have a large power discrepancy between 2 characters focusing on the same pillar.&nbsp; That can occur in any number of ways.A.&nbsp; Let the power gamer have that role and do something elseB.&nbsp; Let the power gamer make a less effective character in the same role so the 2 PC's are on parC.&nbsp; Kick the power gamer outD.&nbsp; Kick out the guy that made an imcompetent character instead of the powergamerE.&nbsp; Have the power gamer do his power gaming in a pillar no one else wanted to play.F.&nbsp; Embrace the sidekick role and rub it in his face anytime you actually outperform him because of the dice</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FrogReaver, post: 7330838, member: 6795602"] [LEFT][COLOR=#222222][FONT=Tahoma][/FONT][/COLOR][/LEFT] 1. If dominating the game at all costs is powergaming then I doubt there exists a single power gamer. 2. Power Gamers of any definition do enjoy the challenges of the game. For them pwning the bad guys is a good chunk of the enjoyment. If the bad guys ever ramp up and get on their level then they enjoy the feeling being a very important part of overcoming this new harder challenge. Something for other players to consider. When you are playing with a "power gamer" don't try to compete with him in whatever sphere he is looking to optimize for. Instead find something else you can do well and make a character that does that instead. For example. I played in a game where there was a super tanky and DPR dealing barbarian. I figured my best option was to basically ignore combat and focus on one of the other pillars. So I made a sorcerer that was nearly totally focused on the social pillar. I hardly ever cast offensive spells. I contributed in combat with my dagger or my firebolt but it was a measly contribution. The other characters were a cleric, a rogue and a bard. No one envied the barbarian in combat. We talked about how awesome he was and how much we needed him in combats. Most all of us had our own out of combat stuff we were good at that the barbarian had no chance of helping at. In other words, envy and jealousy and anger at the optimized character making your not as optimized character in the same pillar feel like a sidekick is probably the bigger problem. The power gamer isn't responsible for your emotions but he gets the blame for them. In other words, the solution is to not have a large power discrepancy between 2 characters focusing on the same pillar. That can occur in any number of ways. A. Let the power gamer have that role and do something else B. Let the power gamer make a less effective character in the same role so the 2 PC's are on par C. Kick the power gamer out D. Kick out the guy that made an imcompetent character instead of the powergamer E. Have the power gamer do his power gaming in a pillar no one else wanted to play. F. Embrace the sidekick role and rub it in his face anytime you actually outperform him because of the dice [/QUOTE]

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