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Are proficiency swaps too strong for some races?
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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 8130437" data-attributes="member: 6790260"><p>I don't see how. <em>At the very least</em> thieves' tools explicitly have real, consistent uses.</p><p></p><p></p><p>That it is easily eclipsed by a spell does not mean it is <em>useless</em>. Again: my point is not that this is somehow crazy <em>powerful</em>. I'm saying it is, objectively, <em>useful</em>. There is explicit utility, as opposed to the claim (to which I had responded) that there is <em>no</em> explicit utility unless the DM overtly exceeds the rules themselves to provide it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Did. I. Say. That.</p><p></p><p>Seriously: <em>who naughty word said it was overpowered?</em> I certainly didn't, and it's getting real damn annoying to have people inserting this idea that I'm saying it's <em>overpowered</em> when I literally never said that. I specifically talked about how dragonborn are <em>underpowered</em>. I have specified that there is <em>utility</em> to it, even if it is minor utility (I even gorram admitted that the feat in question is a crappy feat!), as opposed to the explicit claim that it has no consistent/identifiable utility <em>whatsoever</em>. This option adds versatility to races that don't need it, and nothing to races that could use it. That's naughty word. I don't see how there's any way to argue that that <em>isn't</em> naughty word.</p><p></p><p></p><p>...okay, fair. I apologize for saying "the thing I like is objectively weaker than all other (regular) possible options" in a single word. A failure of my usual sesquipedalian loquaciousness.</p><p></p><p></p><p>See above: <em>did I say that other things were overpowered?</em></p><p></p><p>I SPECIFICALLY said things like "weaker than the bulk" etc. As others have said, a point about this was specifically to make more combinations more viable....and yet the weakest race on offer <em>got nothing</em>. Can we at least gorram agree on that?</p><p></p><p></p><p>No.</p><p></p><p></p><p>No. But not being "seriously worried" is not the same as not being annoyed, frustrated, or feeling like my preferences are consistently marginalized within the official rules.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Agreed. Wish more people thought so.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I completely agree with this statement.</p><p></p><p></p><p>I do not completely agree with this statement, and that is why I posted.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 8130437, member: 6790260"] I don't see how. [I]At the very least[/I] thieves' tools explicitly have real, consistent uses. That it is easily eclipsed by a spell does not mean it is [I]useless[/I]. Again: my point is not that this is somehow crazy [I]powerful[/I]. I'm saying it is, objectively, [I]useful[/I]. There is explicit utility, as opposed to the claim (to which I had responded) that there is [I]no[/I] explicit utility unless the DM overtly exceeds the rules themselves to provide it. Did. I. Say. That. Seriously: [I]who naughty word said it was overpowered?[/I] I certainly didn't, and it's getting real damn annoying to have people inserting this idea that I'm saying it's [I]overpowered[/I] when I literally never said that. I specifically talked about how dragonborn are [I]underpowered[/I]. I have specified that there is [I]utility[/I] to it, even if it is minor utility (I even gorram admitted that the feat in question is a crappy feat!), as opposed to the explicit claim that it has no consistent/identifiable utility [I]whatsoever[/I]. This option adds versatility to races that don't need it, and nothing to races that could use it. That's naughty word. I don't see how there's any way to argue that that [I]isn't[/I] naughty word. ...okay, fair. I apologize for saying "the thing I like is objectively weaker than all other (regular) possible options" in a single word. A failure of my usual sesquipedalian loquaciousness. See above: [I]did I say that other things were overpowered?[/I] I SPECIFICALLY said things like "weaker than the bulk" etc. As others have said, a point about this was specifically to make more combinations more viable....and yet the weakest race on offer [I]got nothing[/I]. Can we at least gorram agree on that? No. No. But not being "seriously worried" is not the same as not being annoyed, frustrated, or feeling like my preferences are consistently marginalized within the official rules. Agreed. Wish more people thought so. I completely agree with this statement. I do not completely agree with this statement, and that is why I posted. [/QUOTE]
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