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<blockquote data-quote="Sadrik" data-source="post: 6134865" data-attributes="member: 14506">I agree with your &quot;that's not true&quot; statement however, I do not agree with your reasoning. Magic does not have limits, game rules have limits. Magic can be brought in line with combat potential. Very easily. 4e did it. Utility type effects is where magic is more powerful in terms of game rules. Things that are unique to magic, like dispel magic, remove curse, teleport, resurrection and many others, those are the areas where it does not feel balanced. But if you limit these affects then you run the risk of making all classes basically the same and making magic mundane.Things like knock, invisibility, charm, summoning, damage effects, and buffs for instance, can all be duplicated by other means (equipment, skills, feats, and class features). If you give non-casters a huge repertoire of caster-like-utility then you detract from what it means to be a non-caster. That said many low level effects are generated at will where a caster has to do it a limited times per day.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Sadrik, post: 6134865, member: 14506"] I agree with your "that's not true" statement however, I do not agree with your reasoning. Magic does not have limits, game rules have limits. Magic can be brought in line with combat potential. Very easily. 4e did it. Utility type effects is where magic is more powerful in terms of game rules. Things that are unique to magic, like dispel magic, remove curse, teleport, resurrection and many others, those are the areas where it does not feel balanced. But if you limit these affects then you run the risk of making all classes basically the same and making magic mundane. Things like knock, invisibility, charm, summoning, damage effects, and buffs for instance, can all be duplicated by other means (equipment, skills, feats, and class features). If you give non-casters a huge repertoire of caster-like-utility then you detract from what it means to be a non-caster. That said many low level effects are generated at will where a caster has to do it a limited times per day. [/QUOTE]

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